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everything that occurred in the

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Rendlesham forest incident aliens at all

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over our head it's sort of like flying

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saucer really standing in the clearing

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he turned over to my father held his

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hand and he looked in his eyes and said

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was Roswell it was out of this world so

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it's the first time I've used it like

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that because of course it's annoying the

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news uses it all the time in fact it was

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kind of funny and he was a nice guy but

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there was just one reporter who a few

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years ago was talking about our

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conference and he's like oh I've already

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got you know what I'm gonna say worked

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out and I'm

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say um you know this event is out of

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this world and he looks at us to be like

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oh wow that's great and it was it was

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really awkward yeah yeah in fact we were

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a little disappointed it's like don't

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you realize we hear this all the time

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yeah well well anyway you took me by

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surprise on that one

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yeah but Roswell was great a lot of fun

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in fact you know there was the there

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were the speakers at the Museum and then

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there was our group and we were speaking

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for the newspaper and we did me in fact

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they invited us over for breakfast I

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usually speak at the museum but this was

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a really unique group at the paper that

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I was really excited to be with so the

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other speakers were Lee Spiegel who's of

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course a good friend but also Colonel

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John Alexander I mean he was in the Army

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and intelligence

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he worked at los alamos and you know

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with other friends and intelligence

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looked into UFOs and another paranormal

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phenomena and then of course there's

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Colonel Charles halt who was a witness

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highest ranking military UFO and this is

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part of one of the most incredible cases

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ever and then Nick Pope who worked for

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the Ministry of Defense investigating

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UFOs so the level of you can't really

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beat that level of credibility Keith

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Arum who was the guy who made the

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and so that was fun and so he had a

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showing of his movie and and we did a

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panel and stuff like that I actually

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emceed the event and do we had I felt

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some really great conversations it was

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it was really fun yeah now it's funny I

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I as you know I I am an antique person

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appraiser or whatever I had my phone

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rang yesterday and I looked at the I saw

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the person's name and it said Roswell

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New Mexico so he answered it had nothing

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with UFOs and Roswell so I did in the

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conversation he actually is having me

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look at some Asian arts of so in the

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conversation I said to him

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so Roswell huh what do you think about

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that crash you know and all this stuff

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and he goes yeah well you know he he was

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just into he so yeah we just had this

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big event here and he said they rent out

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more hotels so than anyone else in the

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whole state and any other event no is

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that true how many people come to this

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event I doubt that's true

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the only reason Baja is well Roswell is

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small I mean this is a small town there

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are a lot of people that come to the

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event they estimate in the tens of

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thousands but it is just an estimation

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and and they do I mean they have more

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and more hotels even when I started

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going let's say about ten years ago

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there's at least five or six more hotels

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so there are a lot of hotels this year I

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heard that this was kind of the smallest

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showing in the last since 1997 which was

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a 50th anniversary which was huge but

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there was still quite a few people and

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the reason why I say I doubt that is

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that Albuquerque for instance is a very

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it's a pretty big town oh yeah

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and so is Santa Fe so Albuquerque is

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just on a scale it is very very very

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much bigger and they have events such as

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the International Balloon Fiesta which

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is the largest balloon festival in the

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world and there are people that come

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from all over I used to go to that I

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would try to go every year and it was

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absolutely incredible

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thousands of hot-air balloons in the air

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these things are on the ground and

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they're huge and then the sky is

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littered with them it's incredible but

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yeah yeah then that's right um of course

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that would yeah so so events like that

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in Santa Fe of course is is also world

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renowned and they have festivals as well

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there that's pretty impressive

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probably per capita gets more people

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than you know yeah well I know to go

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with that yeah yeah so what's happening

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for News while you were over there while

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I was over there there wasn't a whole

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lot of news that I can think of while I

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was over there in fact you know I left

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the day after we talked right and I've

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been back and I'm working on this story

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so I've been researching so there hasn't

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been a whole lot of news while I was

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there though I guess what did I learn

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this is kind of interesting Nick Pope

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told a story and which was a fun story

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about one of his bosses in the Ministry

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of Defense who was reviewing a case and

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was essentially talking about how this

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UFO oh this is really cool actually this

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UFO was not this unidentified object

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that they were trying to investigate was

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not Soviet it was not ours it was not

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the United States so who else could it

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be and he pointed to the sky and that

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just kind of an ending story I hadn't

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heard him tell before and him and his

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coworker there were just like whoa

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that's kind of weird but this is kind of

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cool too so John Burroughs actually

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showed up really one of the other

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Rendlesham witness and he actually ended

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up having to do a talk because they had

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they had least scheduled to do too and

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he actually got sick at the end of the

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first day so he can do his first one so

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talk was which was great and he talks a

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lot about project condign and project

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condign was a document that's only come

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out in the last few years which was an

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investigation that was completed in 2000

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by the Ministry of Defense into UFOs so

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it was a full-on investigation the

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problem is and and this is what John

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burrows talks about John burrows did a

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lot of great work look

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into it and he found that there was some

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speculation that perhaps the UFOs are a

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plasma natural plasma phenomenon that

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causes radiation and that he and his

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colleagues may have been affected from

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the radiation from this plasma so that's

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really interesting but my argument to

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speculative I mean they talk a lot about

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this natural phenomena of plasma and you

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know who asked for this document to

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create be created and what did they

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think they would be able to find and his

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answer was great his answer was that it

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was a secret inquiry and they didn't

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want anybody to know that they were

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looking into UFOs doing the serious

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inquiry into UFOs so they couldn't

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really ask scientists and the other

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experts owe their opinions or ideas

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about like this plasma phenomena so they

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had to limit their research to existing

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documents so that limited what they

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could really discover as for who asked

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for the document she said it was UFO

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believers essentially in the government

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that was in our military and so there

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were a group of believers in several

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departments and they felt that what they

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wanted to do was analyze the topic to

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see if they can glean any technology

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that they would be able to use to

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develop some sort of great technology

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similar to why Bob Bigelow has gotten

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into this topic and did his research so

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that was kind of interesting to know the

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background of that and why it was so

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speculative and kind of limited even

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though it's a huge document we did you

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know there are so many only so many UFOs

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that could be explained as something

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that was even plasma like you know it's

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a good point and that's really the only

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thing they offer up our kind of plasmas

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or misidentifications they don't really

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at least I don't recall them I think

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they went into said

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think about how it's a possibility Nick

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and his talk had some other great quotes

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from the document so but yeah you're

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can this document be found online it can

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I believe it can yeah I'm sure that's

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how I found it but project condign and

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that co n di GN oh okay great

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yeah and otherwise I'm working on

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something kind of related it is a

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document that I'm essentially you know

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that interview with Paul Dean that I had

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where he talked about UFO reports being

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reported to this government or military

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system called op rep and in particular

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they were a prep three so I'm kind of

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doing a history of okay one of the

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things we know from Blue Book is that

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and we know this from a memo by a

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general that the UFO reports that had a

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national of where that were of National

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Defense interest which would be the most

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significant ones we're not going to blue

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book at all they were going to what's

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called J Knapp 146 protocols or a

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centrally reporting system and this

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system we know simple we have some

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information about I talk about it when

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they talk about the Canadian sightings

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and stuff and essentially it was called

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service merit and it lists you know this

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is where you have to report UFO

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sightings and and that document was in

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existence up until 2011 when Lee Spiegel

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wrote a story about it and surprisingly

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coincidentally event I with it vanished

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so you know this story yeah but John

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Greenwald has looked into these files

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but Paul Dean has found that and I'm

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gonna show this how this is worked is

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that Greenwald tried to look for some of

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these service reports UFO reports they

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told them there weren't any and they

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told them they weren't subject to FOIA

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yet anyway he did find some on the

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Canadian side but as Paul Dean has kind

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of demonstrated they probably weren't

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using that and

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they were using this a prep system and

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essentially this is kind of interesting

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John Greenwald shows that the document

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that replaced in 2011 that service as

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essentially a prep is where these days

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were that important reports go

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and so that's evidence that that's where

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they're going however from where do they

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go there I don't know and they don't

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share those files now is that is that a

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US agency it is a u.s. reporting system

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that apparently is Jane app is like the

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joint Army Navy Air Force reporting

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system a yacht reporting system and

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these opera seem to also be

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multi-departmental and services so it

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goes to more than just necessarily you

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know one service although as he's also

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shown or Paul Dean is shown and I'll

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show this there are some particular

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codes that can be used so that it stays

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within the Navy for instance or it goes

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to Navy command but they go to Maj comm

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and Maj comms are major commands so

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those are kind of like the major

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different departments of the different

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branches of the service so you'll have a

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story on this within the next couple of

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days that anyone can interact right I

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hope to have that posted by the end of

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the day all right

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great so all you have to do is go over

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to open minds TV and it should be there

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by the time you hear this I'll go

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thanks so much all right talk to you

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next week buddy all ready so hang in

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there everyone we'll be right back with

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Jeremy how are you I'm doing pretty good

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good thank you and welcome to the show

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thanks for having me sure

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now you're kind of a young guy what when

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did you get started in looking into UFOs

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I would say Bob I got involved

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mainstream I guess you would call it

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around 2008 around the time that I

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turned of 18 19 years old I originally

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found out about the Ely case is actually

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looking online at different UFO crash

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lists and what was weird about this one

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was not only was it fairly close to

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where I live but these crashes basically

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had no information about them at all on

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the Internet so I started looking into

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these cases and there's actually a lot

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more to it than what the internet says

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so when you're researching these earlier

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cases how do you first start is it

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looking through newspaper articles books

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written on the subject how do you how do

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you look into it

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to begin well I um well with these

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specific cases I actually like I said I

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looked on a list on the Internet of

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supposed UFO crashes and I saw that this

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one was well a crashed in the Ely Nevada

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area was listed on there I searched the

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story on YouTube and there actually was

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a shortened news broadcast done by Edie

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Pierce over in Reno for a kol o TV and

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they listed that the Ely Times newspaper

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had covered the story and I contacted

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the newspaper and from from then on I

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started one thing led to another

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and they gave me the names of a couple

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witnesses and I went to the Ely area and

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I guess the best way to explain it was

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because I wasn't with big-time media I

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wasn't with there with the TV crew that

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people were more willing to talk to me

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than they were when the past

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investigators have gone through there

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and I just managed to talk to the right

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people at the right time when I came out

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there Julie and then now of course I see

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that there's about three or four big UFO

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stories in the Ely area ranging from

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about a 25 year period Wow so when

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people were talking to you would you

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also get names of other people to speak

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with as you went along oh yeah the Ely

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Nevada is a very secluded area it's one

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of the largest cities I guess you call

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this city I call it a small town in that

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area it's about three to four thousand

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people and there's no city larger than

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50 thousand people for about 200 to 300

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miles in any direction you have to go to

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either Las Vegas to the south they have

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Elko Nevada to the north and then the

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Northeast

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they have Salt Lake City and the

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majority of the residents in Ely Nevada

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they don't really talk to outsiders

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especially if you're from from the media

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like if you're from a TV station or if

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you're from I don't know like anywhere

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anywhere that's not there basically they

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don't really talk to you and I managed

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to get in I guess for a lack of words I

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managed to get an end with the community

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once I started making friends with some

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of the people that ran the local museums

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mm-hmm Wow so your your your route do

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you mind saying your age yeah I'm 26 so

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you're 26 and you have a fascination

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with this and have you ever had like

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someone just you know slam the door on

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you so to speak all the time actually

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we've had we've had lots of people that

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were contacted by the government back in

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the 50s 60s and 70s

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and for some reason most of them won't

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say but some of them have told us and we

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could get into that a little bit later

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and they were threatened by the

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government and they were told that if

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they did if they talked about this again

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that something bad would happen to them

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mm-hmm and I found that out the hard way

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in 2014 I actually pressed the issue and

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I was visited myself by some entity from

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the government that I called them in in

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black and we could get into that a

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little bit later too but lots of people

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lots of I'd say we talked to more people

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that are afraid than angry but you do

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get the angry people too now when you

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yeah we have to remember to talk about

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that later because that's really

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interesting when you are doing these

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investigations do you team up or are you

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by yourself solo most of the work is

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done by myself but I do have one other

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person he's my friend my best friend his

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name's actually Nick and he's he'd

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actually does ghost hunting with me too

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but I pray I go back and forth between

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I'd say ghost hunting and UFOs and he's

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the main one that does both with me

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uh-huh

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now just change switching around a

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little bit here closer to home for you

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I've heard and also a someone that helps

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out with the show also lives in Las

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Vegas and there are some sightings there

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have you yourself ever had a sighting or

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have you ever ever investigated sighting

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in Las Vegas itself not in Las Vegas

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itself but I have gone out to Red Rock

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Canyon which is just a little bit I

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guess you would call it on the so I'm

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trying to think that the directions here

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it's on the western side of Las Vegas in

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the mountains and one of the strangest

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things that I had happened to me I'd say

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was probably about 2010 it was me my

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brother and our friend Nick and our

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other friend Brent we were driving

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through Red Rock Canyon actually to

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investigate a story that we were

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covering

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a mass UFO sighting out admits village

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of blue diamond and we had gone out

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there and we talked to some witnesses

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and there was nothing really going on it

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was just pitch-black mountains yes put

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you a picture with the wilderness and on

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the way back to Las Vegas which is about

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a 30 minute drive out of town I we went

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around this Bend and all of a sudden the

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whole entire car lit up the color red

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like a fluorescent red color but there

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was no other cars on the road besides us

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and it was this was in the middle of the

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night and there was no explanation for

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where this light came from it looked

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like it was coming through the

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windshield from up above us somewhere or

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coming from the mountains somewhere but

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there's no town out there just that

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small town I was on you had a blue

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diamond and that's only about a hundred

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people and we had already driven out of

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town and had gone deep into the mountain

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so that was strange I don't know you

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called that UFO phenomenon but I have no

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explanation other than something UFO

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related to what that could have been hmm

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Wow yeah I have a friend who's actually

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she was on the home-and-garden network

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or something like that but she contacted

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me one day and said oh you do a show on

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UFOs and then she started to tell me

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about her sighting she had and it was

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right in Las Vegas itself right in the

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city she said she was stepping outside

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of her hotel room she said she something

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caught her eye and she looked over and

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she said it was a huge black triangle

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about dusk

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it wasn't even she didn't see lights or

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anything just the triangle floating

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along and I'm just surprised I've never

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heard anyone else talk about that

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because you know there's so many people

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in that city you just oh yeah just think

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you'd hear more about triangle sightings

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there that all interesting now we have

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someone on the message board that just

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wants to you to elaborate a little bit

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more on the men and black visits so why

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don't we just go into that what happened

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exactly um yeah I could go into that I

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guess the best way to explain it

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I've been to the

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the area probably about between 10 and

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15 times and I also travel around

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different states around the country

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interviewing witnesses but the main

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sighting took place in 2014 but I have

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to rewind a little bit to 2008 when I

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first start investigating the ely UFO

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crash i was looking for information and

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I called the hill Air Force Base and I

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cut which is in Ogden Utah and I called

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Nellis Air Force Base which is in Las

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Vegas and I sent in a request I didn't

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say I was looking for UFOs at the time

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not right off the bat and I got a call

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from someone who said that he was a base

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historian from Air Force Base and this

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guy called me he didn't say his name

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which I thought was kind of odd odd and

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this man calls and he's he's looking for

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me and he says ok well how can I help

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you and I said ok well I'm looking for a

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Mook I'm doing a story on a strange

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aerial crashes that take place in White

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Pine County which is where Ealy's at and

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the early early 1950s and the guy goes

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ok ok and he starts asking for more

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information and I tell them ok well I'm

541
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,330
looking for stories that either do or

542
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:33,520
don't have to do with fatalities but

543
00:25:38,820 --> 00:25:35,410
they are strange and he goes well what

544
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:38,830
do you mean by strange crashes and I say

545
00:25:42,330 --> 00:25:40,840
well you know something that might have

546
00:25:48,150 --> 00:25:42,340
come from space and you can tell the guy

547
00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:48,160
knew what I was getting at and he you

548
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:49,750
could tell the guy starts smiling or

549
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,130
he's ready to start laughing and he goes

550
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:53,440
well those types of crashes are

551
00:25:57,540 --> 00:25:55,090
classified before I could even say

552
00:26:01,320 --> 00:25:57,550
anything about UFOs and finally I told

553
00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:01,330
the guy I was looking for UFOs and he

554
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:02,950
starts telling giving all of a sudden

555
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:05,050
his story changes and he says ok well if

556
00:26:10,170 --> 00:26:06,490
you want to if you're looking for

557
00:26:12,090 --> 00:26:10,180
stories like that those those stories

558
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:12,100
are classified but if you come down to

559
00:26:18,780 --> 00:26:15,730
the base in person we have a logbook

560
00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:18,790
that you're welcome to look at and ice

561
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:21,100
and I got kind of spooked for the moment

562
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:23,530
moment and I was telling him ok well

563
00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:26,410
no thanks you've I've already talked to

564
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:27,640
you long enough you know I'm just gonna

565
00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:29,170
try and get going and the guy kept

566
00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:31,270
trying to have me go down to the base I

567
00:26:36,780 --> 00:26:35,470
don't know why but after the guy found

568
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:36,790
out that I wasn't gonna go down to the

569
00:26:43,230 --> 00:26:39,910
base his story switched again and he

570
00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:43,240
started asking me about my college Skye

571
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:44,500
was in college at the time he started

572
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:46,510
ask me about my college professors and

573
00:26:50,790 --> 00:26:48,010
what I was doing for a living at the

574
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:50,800
time and just kind of some off-the-wall

575
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,530
questions and I just kind of told the

576
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:54,880
guy what he wanted to hear I answered

577
00:27:00,090 --> 00:26:58,240
his questions cuz and in that situation

578
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:00,100
I was like well the military's on the

579
00:27:03,270 --> 00:27:01,810
phone the write down the the base is

580
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:03,280
literally right down the street I can't

581
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:07,210
really hang up on this guy so we ended

582
00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:11,170
our conversation and this was our first

583
00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:13,900
or second trip to Ely me and my friend

584
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:15,430
Nicola were getting ready to go up there

585
00:27:21,810 --> 00:27:19,090
to interviews this woman and she still

586
00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:21,820
lives in the Ely area and we were

587
00:27:26,010 --> 00:27:23,500
supposed to go to Ely I think it was on

588
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:26,020
a Thursday or a Friday and around Monday

589
00:27:31,770 --> 00:27:29,130
or Tuesday I get a call from this woman

590
00:27:34,620 --> 00:27:31,780
saying oh well thanks for thank you for

591
00:27:36,570 --> 00:27:34,630
doing your interview you guys are really

592
00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:36,580
professional and you guys asked all

593
00:27:39,330 --> 00:27:38,230
kinds of interesting questions and she

594
00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:39,340
starts telling me about this interview

595
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:42,790
and I'm just sitting there silent

596
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:44,710
listening to what this woman has to say

597
00:27:49,290 --> 00:27:47,650
and finally when she's done I told her I

598
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:49,300
was like well that wasn't us where´s

599
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:51,610
we're in Las Vegas we were not supposed

600
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:54,810
to be there for two more days and she

601
00:28:00,990 --> 00:27:58,720
got really scared and I guess she

602
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:01,000
thought someone was posing as me and my

603
00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:03,910
friend Nick and whoever it was was

604
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:06,400
telling her the same information I gave

605
00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:10,060
the base historian on the phone posing

606
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:11,590
as me talking about my college

607
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:13,500
professors where I worked

608
00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:16,810
Laer yeah so I don't know who that was

609
00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:19,390
but that had something to do with the

610
00:28:24,390 --> 00:28:21,160
conversation I had with the military

611
00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:24,400
base historian and that was and the

612
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:26,860
woman got so scared that she hung up the

613
00:28:30,090 --> 00:28:28,210
phone and never talked to us again I

614
00:28:32,910 --> 00:28:30,100
still don't know to this day what her

615
00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:32,920
story was because she won't answer her

616
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:36,550
phone she won't respond to us but the

617
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:37,090
mold

618
00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:42,250
is that for some reason early on I found

619
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,350
out that the government or the military

620
00:28:49,380 --> 00:28:46,480
whatever you want to call him they're

621
00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:49,390
still paying attention to this story hmm

622
00:28:58,350 --> 00:28:52,870
all right so how long ago was that that

623
00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:58,360
was about 2009-2010 mm-hmm and things

624
00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:00,250
kind of died down for a little while and

625
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:04,030
I was on the open minds radio show

626
00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:06,370
actually with alejandro rojas ironically

627
00:29:14,610 --> 00:29:09,040
and i was supposed to take another trip

628
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:14,620
to Ely this is in 2014 and I guess I

629
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:16,390
worked the graveyard shift at a casino

630
00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:20,410
here in Las Vegas and I come home from

631
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:23,080
work anywhere between 10 and 10 o'clock

632
00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:26,650
and noon and on this specific day I was

633
00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:28,120
looking at my blog post from that day

634
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:32,230
with September 11th 2014 I got home from

635
00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:34,630
work and there was nobody out in the

636
00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:38,200
whole entire neighborhood and I parked

637
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:41,350
my car in the driveway and I went inside

638
00:29:44,490 --> 00:29:42,850
because I had my girlfriend at the time

639
00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:44,500
I was trying to ask her if she wanted to

640
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:46,750
go to the grocery store with me saying

641
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:48,970
of course she didn't want to because

642
00:29:55,950 --> 00:29:53,490
that's just I guess how she was and I

643
00:29:58,530 --> 00:29:55,960
can't him out of the house I looked

644
00:30:01,770 --> 00:29:58,540
around and there was nobody outside and

645
00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:01,780
all of a sudden I I sat in my car opened

646
00:30:04,530 --> 00:30:03,190
the door I sat in the driver's chair and

647
00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:04,540
both of my feet were still hanging out

648
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:06,040
of the car but I was physically sitting

649
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:07,380
in the driver's seat

650
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:10,030
there was a white sedan with blacked-out

651
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:12,610
windows come screeching around the

652
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:15,610
corner slams on its brakes almost like

653
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:17,590
you would see in the movies and it's

654
00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:19,390
blocking me and almost like a like a

655
00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:21,550
t-bone shape but behind the car like I

656
00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:23,260
couldn't noway you call it like I say

657
00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:27,190
play catty and I stood up and the way I

658
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:29,230
went around the car I walked around the

659
00:30:34,410 --> 00:30:31,930
hood of my car go starting from the

660
00:30:36,150 --> 00:30:34,420
driver's side door walking around the

661
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:36,160
hood that's coming up coming back up by

662
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:39,730
the passenger side and as I was coming

663
00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:41,890
around the back side of the car I saw

664
00:30:45,330 --> 00:30:43,750
that there was a white license plate

665
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:45,340
with silver letters and it said

666
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:47,770
government or US government official use

667
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:50,960
only and in my head I remember

668
00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:54,110
I've I really remember myself vividly

669
00:30:59,289 --> 00:30:55,750
thinking oh man this isn't gonna be good

670
00:31:00,880 --> 00:30:59,299
so yeah all of a sudden the guy gets out

671
00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:00,890
of the single man gets out of the

672
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:03,590
vehicle and he's wearing a military

673
00:31:10,029 --> 00:31:07,730
fatigue almost to look like a soldier

674
00:31:11,649 --> 00:31:10,039
gets out and the first thing he says he

675
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:11,659
doesn't introduce himself and he doesn't

676
00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:14,240
ask me who I am almost like he knew who

677
00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:16,340
I was and the guy said did you find the

678
00:31:20,769 --> 00:31:18,380
UFO yet this is how we started that

679
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:20,779
conversation yeah he said did you find

680
00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:25,250
it in the UFO yet and I answered no and

681
00:31:28,779 --> 00:31:27,470
I paused him and I was like not yet

682
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:28,789
because in my head I'm trying to put

683
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,890
this together as what was going on and

684
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:32,720
the guy said well I heard that you're

685
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:34,730
looking for him did you find him

686
00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:37,970
and I got kind of sarcastic at that

687
00:31:41,649 --> 00:31:40,190
point and I told the man that I know I'm

688
00:31:43,419 --> 00:31:41,659
headed to the grocery store at the

689
00:31:47,169 --> 00:31:43,429
moment and I didn't want to talk about

690
00:31:50,139 --> 00:31:47,179
it and there was kind of a pause there

691
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:50,149
for a minute and the man says he starts

692
00:31:54,909 --> 00:31:51,679
getting back in his car and he says tell

693
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:54,919
your friend Nick that I said hi and he

694
00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:56,450
gets back in the car and drives about

695
00:32:01,299 --> 00:31:58,220
two or three houses down and stops in

696
00:32:03,940 --> 00:32:01,309
front of our mailbox and I thought this

697
00:32:05,409 --> 00:32:03,950
was kind of bizarre and this all

698
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:05,419
happened so quickly at the at the point

699
00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:07,610
at that point in time that I didn't

700
00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:09,140
really have any chance ask this man any

701
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:10,760
questions so he drove a couple houses

702
00:32:16,299 --> 00:32:14,570
down and stopped I get in my car and I

703
00:32:18,010 --> 00:32:16,309
pull out of our neighborhood and he's

704
00:32:20,169 --> 00:32:18,020
books like he's writing something down

705
00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:20,179
on like a notepad or a clipboard in the

706
00:32:28,090 --> 00:32:25,270
driver's seat with the sitting there so

707
00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:28,100
close to my house there's a stop sign

708
00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:29,990
and once you pass through the stop sign

709
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:32,600
there's a u-haul business and then

710
00:32:36,610 --> 00:32:33,830
there's a bridge you have to go over to

711
00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:36,620
get to the grocery store I got to the

712
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,360
stop sign and there's no cars there at

713
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,159
all and once I passed through the stop

714
00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:42,799
sign I passed the u-haul place a white

715
00:32:47,380 --> 00:32:45,470
SUV with blacked-out windows in the same

716
00:32:50,350 --> 00:32:47,390
coat the same license plate pulls out of

717
00:32:53,169 --> 00:32:50,360
this u-haul business and follows me all

718
00:32:55,539 --> 00:32:53,179
the way to the grocery store and at this

719
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:55,549
point time I was thinking uh-oh this is

720
00:32:59,019 --> 00:32:56,809
the kind of thing you hear about when

721
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,029
you read these UFO websites or you watch

722
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:01,039
these documentaries or movies I thought

723
00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:04,330
that someone was gonna either try to

724
00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:05,590
I know if they were gonna try to arrest

725
00:33:10,110 --> 00:33:06,700
me or if they're gonna try to

726
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:10,120
interrogate me or something so I went in

727
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:11,260
the grocer I went to the grocery store

728
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:12,970
and I parked in the handicapped spot in

729
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:14,769
the front in case someone was gonna

730
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:17,890
confront me in that SUV and they stopped

731
00:33:23,399 --> 00:33:19,690
they almost went to a stop almost like a

732
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:23,409
California Sun go down and of course

733
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:27,809
that's it's a since it's a grocery store

734
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:29,890
all right you guys they're sorry I said

735
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,210
my microphone wasn't detected for a

736
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:33,039
second there yeah yeah I keep going yeah

737
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:36,190
yeah so anyway so since I pulled in the

738
00:33:39,539 --> 00:33:38,500
handicapped spot since it's a grocery

739
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:39,549
store there's all kinds of people

740
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:42,130
walking around nobody got out of the SUV

741
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:44,580
they just kept on going

742
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:48,850
so things at this point are kind of

743
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:51,250
building up I don't know who the soldier

744
00:33:56,879 --> 00:33:52,809
was and he said tell your friend Nick

745
00:33:58,620 --> 00:33:56,889
that I said hi first thing I did I will

746
00:34:00,210 --> 00:33:58,630
schuester I called my friend Nick I was

747
00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:00,220
going to tell him some man is gonna come

748
00:34:05,549 --> 00:34:01,870
to your house or some guy is looking for

749
00:34:09,629 --> 00:34:05,559
you in a military outfit well I called

750
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,639
him and he didn't answer his phone

751
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:12,399
and I called him and I called him and I

752
00:34:16,589 --> 00:34:14,649
didn't hear from Nick for about a year

753
00:34:19,379 --> 00:34:16,599
and Nick was my best friend throughout

754
00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:19,389
all my childhood and it took him about

755
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:21,550
I'd say I said about a year year and a

756
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:24,129
half till he came back around but during

757
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:27,970
that year I found out that the military

758
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:31,450
or somebody similar to the military like

759
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:33,970
I would think this man was they came and

760
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:36,879
visited him before they came to my house

761
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:39,490
and at that point in time he was trying

762
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:42,510
to get into the military himself and

763
00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:45,369
they told him that he was never going to

764
00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:47,020
get into the military he was never gonna

765
00:34:52,619 --> 00:34:49,720
be able to graduate college if he

766
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:52,629
continued looking for the UFOs and they

767
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:54,609
told him that he would never be able to

768
00:34:59,790 --> 00:34:56,409
get into the military or he basically

769
00:35:01,290 --> 00:34:59,800
never have a career and this scared Nick

770
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:01,300
they didn't threaten his life or

771
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:02,710
anything they just threatened his career

772
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:06,880
I guess in his job in his college but to

773
00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:09,160
this day he still won't tell me what the

774
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:10,900
person told to him and he still won't

775
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:12,910
acknowledge that they talked to him the

776
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:15,369
only reason I know is that some mutual

777
00:35:20,029 --> 00:35:17,910
friends had told me and my brother

778
00:35:21,289 --> 00:35:20,039
that this had happened Nick to this day

779
00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:21,299
he gets really quiet and won't talk

780
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:21,980
about it

781
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:24,660
so I don't exactly know what that was

782
00:35:33,529 --> 00:35:29,760
all about why this is stuff you kind of

783
00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:33,539
hear about but I think you're probably

784
00:35:39,380 --> 00:35:35,190
one of the first people I've talked to

785
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:39,390
this had in an encounter from suppose I

786
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:41,250
suppose a government official of some

787
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:44,250
kind about someone that's a concerned

788
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:47,369
enough about a UFO case that they

789
00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:49,950
actually want you to turn away from it

790
00:35:55,819 --> 00:35:53,670
yeah and this is a historical case yes

791
00:35:57,289 --> 00:35:55,829
this is this the case specifically that

792
00:35:59,890 --> 00:35:57,299
we're talking about there two of them

793
00:36:03,230 --> 00:35:59,900
ones from 1952 the other one is from

794
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:03,240
1964 and those one of those two is the

795
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:05,400
one that got the government excited

796
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:07,859
about what we were looking for and

797
00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:09,089
that's what was causing them to come

798
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:11,430
over here unbelievable well we're gonna

799
00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:14,880
talk about the July 7th 1952 saucer

800
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:18,390
collision over northern Utah and our to

801
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,000
and that you know just in a few hours

802
00:36:30,049 --> 00:36:24,480
that's coming up on the 64th anniversary

803
00:36:31,339 --> 00:36:30,059
of that just a couple of hours so one of

804
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:31,349
the questions that popped up on the

805
00:36:37,609 --> 00:36:35,130
message board was someone want to know

806
00:36:42,289 --> 00:36:37,619
did the person that actually got out of

807
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,299
the white SUV or whatever it was or the

808
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:44,940
car I guess it was they look peculiar or

809
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:47,400
was it just a regular person it just

810
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:49,140
looked like a regular person I didn't

811
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:50,609
see he didn't have any guns or anything

812
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:52,380
that I saw he's on him it might have

813
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:53,609
been in the car but I didn't see any

814
00:37:01,089 --> 00:36:55,619
guns on this person and they're just

815
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:03,319
something interesting that kind of links

816
00:37:09,049 --> 00:37:05,700
the story together about a year later

817
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:09,059
which was in August of 2015 I was coming

818
00:37:12,799 --> 00:37:10,650
home from work and I got a call from my

819
00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:12,809
brother saying that there was an white

820
00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:14,670
unmarked cargo van with blacked-out

821
00:37:18,289 --> 00:37:16,950
windows in the government license plate

822
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:18,299
I was telling you about sitting out

823
00:37:24,980 --> 00:37:21,990
front of our house and people always ask

824
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:24,990
me okay Jeremy why don't you take a

825
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:26,579
picture of the man in the uniform or

826
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:29,250
take a picture of the sedan because of

827
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:31,410
course I to this day I regret

828
00:37:35,299 --> 00:37:33,990
taking the guys picture and at the time

829
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:35,309
I was kind of afraid wondering what

830
00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:36,720
would have happened if I did take his

831
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:38,309
picture out in the open with my camera

832
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:41,220
phone so I was doing interviews and

833
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:42,900
people always ask me why didn't take a

834
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:44,970
picture well this time I came around the

835
00:37:49,249 --> 00:37:47,730
corner coming home from work and when I

836
00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:49,259
came around the corner whoever was

837
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:51,150
sitting in the cargo van saw me pulling

838
00:37:55,309 --> 00:37:53,880
into the driveway and they started

839
00:37:56,809 --> 00:37:55,319
pulling off like they didn't want me to

840
00:37:58,249 --> 00:37:56,819
see them or they didn't want me to

841
00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:58,259
approach them and as they were driving

842
00:38:02,029 --> 00:38:00,180
off I actually did take a picture of

843
00:38:07,549 --> 00:38:02,039
their vehicle driving away with my

844
00:38:09,769 --> 00:38:07,559
camera phone hmm yeah and I was driving

845
00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:09,779
the car but I sent you the picture and I

846
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:11,849
have a picture of the vehicle on a

847
00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:13,500
couple different places on the internet

848
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:16,470
Oh someone wants to know in the message

849
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,430
board by the way if you're listening

850
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:19,680
live you can jump over to podcast UFO

851
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:22,740
comm and go into the message board if

852
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:25,710
you're listening on PSN radio you can

853
00:38:31,069 --> 00:38:28,529
also go into their Skype chat and I will

854
00:38:32,539 --> 00:38:31,079
see a message if it comes up matt has a

855
00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:32,549
question he wanted to know if your

856
00:38:39,380 --> 00:38:36,119
girlfriend was ever confronted or talk

857
00:38:41,029 --> 00:38:39,390
to her or intimidated um not that I know

858
00:38:43,999 --> 00:38:41,039
of because I mean I have a new

859
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:44,009
girlfriend now but that girlfriend yeah

860
00:38:49,329 --> 00:38:45,900
she don't want to go to the grocery

861
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:49,339
store so you get rid of her right yeah I

862
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:51,690
guess she stayed in the house the whole

863
00:38:55,249 --> 00:38:53,220
time I was confronted outside and she

864
00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:55,259
said nobody that she knows of came back

865
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:57,900
to the house but since I took the

866
00:39:02,539 --> 00:39:00,900
picture of the vehicle I have heard from

867
00:39:05,029 --> 00:39:02,549
my brother at least on one or two other

868
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:05,039
occasions that the vehicles were outside

869
00:39:10,549 --> 00:39:09,089
the house well there was one time one

870
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:10,559
time I actually came home from work and

871
00:39:13,759 --> 00:39:12,210
there was someone that was posing as a

872
00:39:16,999 --> 00:39:13,769
they said that they were a realtor

873
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:17,009
asking about our house and what was kind

874
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:18,750
of peculiar about it is again we were

875
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:20,940
getting ready back to Ely and they're

876
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,470
asking us questions about selling our

877
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:24,000
house and we're renting our house so I

878
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:25,740
would have no idea about that

879
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,650
and when they were done talking to me

880
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:30,240
they walked across the street and got in

881
00:39:35,059 --> 00:39:31,710
their car and of course there was a

882
00:39:37,789 --> 00:39:35,069
white sedan a black okay my son's played

883
00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:37,799
again the guy got back in the car that

884
00:39:42,019 --> 00:39:39,480
was that was that kind of freaked me out

885
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:42,029
because there that person was just

886
00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:43,680
dressed in a suit and tie like a normal

887
00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:44,940
person but

888
00:39:48,130 --> 00:39:46,470
again though they did get in a car with

889
00:39:51,350 --> 00:39:48,140
a strange license plate and the

890
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,360
blacked-out windows you know look well

891
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:53,280
let's look at this logically or try to

892
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:56,850
anyway I mean a few times things make

893
00:40:06,320 --> 00:39:59,520
logic when it comes to UFOs but why

894
00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:06,330
would they expend this effort and in

895
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:09,990
like you know searching you out talking

896
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:11,460
to you

897
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:14,490
semi threatening Nick in all this why

898
00:40:19,820 --> 00:40:16,490
would they expend that type of energy

899
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,830
for an old case what why would you what

900
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:22,560
did you come up with well the best

901
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:25,890
explanation that I have is I got onto

902
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:28,770
the case or cases in this in this sense

903
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:33,090
around 2008 and I know that there was

904
00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:35,460
people before me in the 1970s and the

905
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:37,740
nineties in the early 2000s that tried

906
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:40,290
to cover the cases but they couldn't

907
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:42,510
find any new information out they kind

908
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:45,810
of reached a bunch of dead ends and this

909
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:49,170
includes George Knapp like I said had

910
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:52,110
Eddie Pierce I know there's a group I'm

911
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:53,640
trying to what they're called the to

912
00:41:03,590 --> 00:41:02,000
willard mcintyre mcintyre i he's

913
00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:03,600
actually the original investigator of

914
00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:04,950
the case and i got in touch with him

915
00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:06,870
I'll get into that in a minute but so

916
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,270
there's a bunch of people tried to get

917
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:11,280
into this but no one could find any new

918
00:41:15,350 --> 00:41:13,380
information or much information besides

919
00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:15,360
what was on the internet I came along

920
00:41:19,850 --> 00:41:17,100
like I said and I started talking to new

921
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:19,860
witnesses who those people had never

922
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:24,570
talked to and I was openly reopening the

923
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:25,890
case I guess you could say so I was

924
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:27,450
doing interviews and I was putting ads

925
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:30,060
out on the newspapers out there you know

926
00:41:34,220 --> 00:41:33,240
that sort of thing well you put some ads

927
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,230
in the newspaper

928
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:36,960
I put ads in the ely newspaper the las

929
00:41:42,110 --> 00:41:39,930
vegas review-journal i was actually

930
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:42,120
featured in the ely news pay the Daily

931
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:49,160
it's really started taking off once I

932
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,330
was contacted by an individual who says

933
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:55,680
that they were actually loked

934
00:42:01,759 --> 00:41:58,650
that they were actually on on location

935
00:42:03,859 --> 00:42:01,769
when the UFO had crashed and that they

936
00:42:07,059 --> 00:42:03,869
were actually threatened by the

937
00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:07,069
government back in the winter of 1952

938
00:42:11,539 --> 00:42:09,960
and if you'd like I could get started

939
00:42:13,549 --> 00:42:11,549
with that story yeah yeah sure

940
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:13,559
all right well when you look up to Ely

941
00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:17,609
we type in Ely UFO crash besides the

942
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:19,950
information that I found the most that

943
00:42:26,059 --> 00:42:23,640
you'll find is a date and it's in the I

944
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:26,069
think it's August 12th 1952 is what

945
00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:28,890
comes up and you just see that says 16

946
00:42:35,539 --> 00:42:33,390
bodies Ely Nevada well the story goes

947
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:35,549
this popular story that you see on the

948
00:42:39,769 --> 00:42:37,890
internet goes during the night shift in

949
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:39,779
the Robinson copper mine which is right

950
00:42:46,220 --> 00:42:42,660
outside of Ely Nevada it's 12 miles away

951
00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:46,230
and the city is called Ruth Ruth Nevada

952
00:42:50,989 --> 00:42:48,839
was built as a company town for this

953
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:50,999
massive copper mine it's the second or

954
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:52,890
third biggest copper mine in North

955
00:42:59,529 --> 00:42:55,410
America and it was owned by the

956
00:43:01,519 --> 00:42:59,539
Kennecott corporation at the time so

957
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:01,529
during the night shift there was a

958
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:05,609
security guard who told all the locals

959
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:08,220
that he saw a flaming object crash into

960
00:43:13,269 --> 00:43:10,619
the one of the mining pits in this

961
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:13,279
copper mine during the night shift and

962
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:15,720
he doesn't say exactly what this object

963
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:17,369
looked like he says it was a glowing

964
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:21,660
flame and he states that he was told

965
00:43:26,029 --> 00:43:23,400
never to talk about this again and he

966
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:26,039
was sworn to secrecy and he took this

967
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,640
story to his grave that was the first

968
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:32,160
story that that's when the only stories

969
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:33,890
actually when I first came to Ely I

970
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:36,569
started telling the story to different

971
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:38,220
individuals and they go oh yeah well

972
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:40,650
you're looking for Pete and I go okay

973
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,089
well okay now I get this guy's name his

974
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:45,119
name's Pete well I started asking around

975
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:48,089
about Pete and I said I've run into a

976
00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:52,049
couple other individuals one guy he

977
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:54,390
actually is the grandson of someone that

978
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,940
worked back then and he says that his

979
00:44:00,680 --> 00:43:58,319
version of the story was that in the

980
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:00,690
winter of 1952 we didn't have an exact

981
00:44:05,989 --> 00:44:03,660
date he says a glowing object which

982
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,999
wasn't on fire I've asked him he says

983
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:08,640
this was not on fire came crashing into

984
00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:10,529
the on the edge of one of the mining

985
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:12,390
pits because

986
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,650
on the internet it sounds like this

987
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:15,180
thing crashed in one of the pits this

988
00:44:20,420 --> 00:44:18,930
thing according to this this guy store

989
00:44:23,029 --> 00:44:20,430
he says I crash on the edge of one of

990
00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:23,039
the mining pits I'm not sure if you guys

991
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:24,839
are familiar with mine with the way

992
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:27,960
mines work and the terminology but the

993
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:30,089
exact word is the high wall the high

994
00:44:34,970 --> 00:44:32,990
wall is the tallest point in a mine

995
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,980
before you start taking the little

996
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:36,720
roundabout trails I go down into the

997
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:39,900
bottom and I don't exactly know where

998
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:41,609
the security guard claimed he was when

999
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:43,650
he saw this but this person the new

1000
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,660
person I was mentioning he was actually

1001
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:47,760
working in the mine in this pit when it

1002
00:44:52,549 --> 00:44:50,940
happened and he says that this thing

1003
00:44:54,730 --> 00:44:52,559
crashed into a snow bank they thought

1004
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:54,740
that a small plane had crashed and

1005
00:44:59,950 --> 00:44:57,000
whoever was in charge of the mine at the

1006
00:45:02,450 --> 00:44:59,960
time had called emergency services and

1007
00:45:05,809 --> 00:45:02,460
whoever that was I think had called the

1008
00:45:07,279 --> 00:45:05,819
military so this object comes down from

1009
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,289
the sky and it crashes into a snow bank

1010
00:45:13,279 --> 00:45:09,839
he says that the object according to his

1011
00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:13,289
grandfather it wasn't damaged like there

1012
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:16,470
was no rips in the metal there was no

1013
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:17,910
broken glass or anything it was just

1014
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:20,400
kind of sitting there and it was glowing

1015
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:25,980
and while this thing was glowing I guess

1016
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:27,750
eventually the police arrived at the

1017
00:45:31,849 --> 00:45:29,640
main entrance of the mine which is right

1018
00:45:33,289 --> 00:45:31,859
on the edge of the town of Ruth like I

1019
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:33,299
said because Ruth is literally built

1020
00:45:39,049 --> 00:45:37,170
right next to this copper mine and the

1021
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:39,059
the police got there and they didn't

1022
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,920
want they didn't want the civilians

1023
00:45:44,779 --> 00:45:42,480
seeing this glowing object so they

1024
00:45:47,569 --> 00:45:44,789
started making the miners leave at the

1025
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,579
main entrance of the mine well while the

1026
00:45:52,099 --> 00:45:49,920
people were well the workers and the

1027
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,109
people the civilians are being shuffled

1028
00:45:55,549 --> 00:45:54,000
away from the area the military had

1029
00:45:58,579 --> 00:45:55,559
actually entered the back side of the

1030
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:58,589
mine and they were actually coming from

1031
00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,180
Ely themselves they used to have a

1032
00:46:06,289 --> 00:46:02,339
National Guard unit there up until the

1033
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:06,299
early 1980s and they were actually

1034
00:46:12,049 --> 00:46:09,150
reinforced eventually by Hill Air Force

1035
00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:12,059
Base in Ogden Utah and they picked this

1036
00:46:18,019 --> 00:46:15,390
object up while the media was eventually

1037
00:46:19,789 --> 00:46:18,029
coming to the area the story that the

1038
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:19,799
mining people were told was that this

1039
00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:21,210
small plane had crashed and they were

1040
00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:24,599
sticking to that story and that's people

1041
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:26,280
that are skeptical of this they

1042
00:46:31,820 --> 00:46:27,720
still think to this day that this was a

1043
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:31,830
small plane that had crashed and the

1044
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:34,410
military eventually picked up the the

1045
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:36,750
bulk of the craft and I don't know if

1046
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:38,010
there was little pieces laying in the

1047
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:40,050
snow they don't really say but the bulk

1048
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,910
of the craft which is spherical shaped

1049
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:44,400
and metallic silver silver looking with

1050
00:46:49,460 --> 00:46:47,430
no windows was picked up and put on to a

1051
00:46:53,260 --> 00:46:49,470
flatbed trucks and it was driven out the

1052
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:53,270
back side of the mine while all the I

1053
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:56,370
guess you call fuss all the fuss was

1054
00:46:59,870 --> 00:46:58,260
going on at the main entrance they went

1055
00:47:02,750 --> 00:46:59,880
out the back entrance which was not

1056
00:47:04,940 --> 00:47:02,760
known by very many people and they drove

1057
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:04,950
it to Ogden their Hill Air Force Base in

1058
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:09,210
Ogden Utah and I guess nowadays you

1059
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:11,160
wouldn't even know where this UFO crash

1060
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:13,380
site was unless someone that worked

1061
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:16,440
there told you where it was and nowadays

1062
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,330
there's not very many people that even

1063
00:47:22,990 --> 00:47:20,640
believe in the story not to mention know

1064
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:23,000
where this thing supposedly happened

1065
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:26,700
something interesting though there was a

1066
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:29,130
project run by the by the US Air Force

1067
00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:29,760
called

1068
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,700
Operation high range operation or

1069
00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:34,800
project high range sorry worded that

1070
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:38,520
wrong project high range was was started

1071
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:41,520
in 1955 and the purpose of this project

1072
00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:43,790
was to attract the x-15 rocket plane

1073
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,230
there was three or four different

1074
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:48,300
locations ranging from Palmdale

1075
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:50,910
California Gulf at Edwards Air Force

1076
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:54,300
Base going up to Beatty Nevada going to

1077
00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:56,040
Ely then it goes up to Hill Air Force

1078
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:00,420
Base so the planes would take off and go

1079
00:48:03,830 --> 00:48:02,310
they they fly really fast through this

1080
00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:03,840
straight line just diagonal line and

1081
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:08,100
they would track them so the cover story

1082
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,770
was that they built this site on top of

1083
00:48:17,660 --> 00:48:12,000
the mountain originally to attract the

1084
00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:17,670
x-15 rocket plane and in 1979 up until

1085
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:21,240
1979 the US Air Force ran this site and

1086
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:24,420
then eventually this site was given over

1087
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:27,090
to NASA and then NASA ended up running

1088
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:29,610
it until the 90s and then they claimed

1089
00:48:35,060 --> 00:48:33,570
that they gave up the site well I talked

1090
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:35,070
to a couple people that had worked at

1091
00:48:39,980 --> 00:48:37,710
the site throughout the 1970s and 80s

1092
00:48:41,810 --> 00:48:39,990
and they said the purpose of the site

1093
00:48:44,260 --> 00:48:41,820
after the x-15 rocket plane was done

1094
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:44,270
being tested was to track missiles and

1095
00:48:51,859 --> 00:48:46,920
unidentified flying objects like UFOs

1096
00:48:53,780 --> 00:48:51,869
and if you notice there's a couple of

1097
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,790
different UFO crashes around the country

1098
00:48:57,290 --> 00:48:55,920
that I know of at least I know people

1099
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:57,300
claimed that there was a similar

1100
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,980
tracking station was built close to

1101
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:00,960
Roswell

1102
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:03,300
I know Aztec New Mexico there's a

1103
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:07,500
similar a similar radar tower and then I

1104
00:49:11,810 --> 00:49:09,690
was also talking to Harry drew who did

1105
00:49:13,579 --> 00:49:11,820
the Kingman Nevada Air the Kingman

1106
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:13,589
Nevada UFO crash and I know they have

1107
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:16,770
another tracking station similar to that

1108
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:18,300
was built there years after that

1109
00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:22,260
happened so for some reason one reason

1110
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:24,750
or another the US military was thinking

1111
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:26,940
that if a UFO had crashed in an area

1112
00:49:30,740 --> 00:49:29,160
that they would either be back in the

1113
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,750
future at some point in time or that

1114
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:32,640
there would be other UFO sightings in

1115
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:41,400
that same exact area so nowadays if you

1116
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:43,410
the base is now abandoned on top of the

1117
00:49:46,339 --> 00:49:44,970
mountain you could go up there it's and

1118
00:49:48,260 --> 00:49:46,349
there's still science and you could be

1119
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:48,270
shot for going up there or that you'd be

1120
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:50,460
arrested on the spot the the old vintage

1121
00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:53,310
signs and I know not that they're not

1122
00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:55,020
that very many people go up to the site

1123
00:49:58,940 --> 00:49:56,430
nowadays but we went up there a couple

1124
00:50:02,870 --> 00:49:58,950
different times the first time we went

1125
00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:02,880
up there we're looking out towards the

1126
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,619
crash site where we were told to look

1127
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:07,440
and you just looks like a plain patch of

1128
00:50:11,290 --> 00:50:08,970
dirt you can't tell that anything was

1129
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:11,300
ever happening here but besides the fact

1130
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:15,000
we got up to the top of the topic

1131
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:16,530
Kimberly mountain it's called Kimberly

1132
00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:18,930
peak it's kind of it's by the Keystone

1133
00:50:25,070 --> 00:50:23,550
junction by Ruth and Ely the there's a

1134
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:25,080
like a little guard shack I guess you

1135
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:26,910
call her like a little shack on top of

1136
00:50:30,109 --> 00:50:28,200
this mountain there's a bunch of old

1137
00:50:34,180 --> 00:50:30,119
radar equipment up there you could tell

1138
00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:34,190
that they were from the 1960s or 80s and

1139
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:36,630
the door was cracked on this little

1140
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:39,510
shack this is of course this is of

1141
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:40,950
course the short version of the story so

1142
00:50:46,220 --> 00:50:42,390
we could get into a little bit

1143
00:50:48,980 --> 00:50:46,230
discussion there was me my brother and

1144
00:50:50,329 --> 00:50:48,990
our friend Nick and we up we were up on

1145
00:50:52,070 --> 00:50:50,339
top of the mountain like I said the door

1146
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:52,080
was cracked on this on this Shack that

1147
00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:53,250
was on top of the mountain and there was

1148
00:50:56,420 --> 00:50:53,670
no other

1149
00:50:59,390 --> 00:50:56,430
cars up there besides us my friend Nick

1150
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,400
he peers through this crack in the door

1151
00:51:05,319 --> 00:51:01,680
and he gets this really freaked out

1152
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:05,329
excited look on his face and we kind of

1153
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:07,619
look at him wondering what he was

1154
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:10,140
looking at he pops the door open using a

1155
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:11,970
couple fingers and when the door creaks

1156
00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:14,520
open there was probably about eight or

1157
00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:15,990
ten computers that look like they're

1158
00:51:19,730 --> 00:51:18,390
from the 1980s and they're the kind of

1159
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:19,740
had the black background with the green

1160
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:22,260
letters and they were running some kind

1161
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:23,609
of code it looked like it was like

1162
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:24,900
scanning for something I know if there

1163
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:27,420
was weather patterns or what it was but

1164
00:51:31,789 --> 00:51:30,180
I have some news articles from the Ely

1165
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:31,799
Times newspaper saying that they

1166
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:33,750
supposedly stopped using the site in

1167
00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:37,290
1992 I think it was and they were still

1168
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:42,270
using it this was 2012 or so 2010 so I

1169
00:51:46,430 --> 00:51:43,760
don't know what they're doing up there

1170
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:46,440
but they're still using that site for

1171
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:48,329
something because like I said we saw the

1172
00:51:56,359 --> 00:51:53,640
computers Wow so you're able to actually

1173
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:56,369
get that close yeah you could go up

1174
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,680
there usually the shack is locked up and

1175
00:52:02,089 --> 00:52:00,720
there's never there's never been anyone

1176
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:02,099
up then we've been up there I'd say

1177
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:08,160
about five times hmm now when you the

1178
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,730
case that you actually were visited on

1179
00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:13,920
was that this case or was that the other

1180
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:16,619
one we're gonna get into later this one

1181
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:19,049
was the one where the guy was

1182
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:21,000
impersonating me my friend Nick was

1183
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:23,940
about the 1952 mine crashed or I just

1184
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:27,480
said mm-hmm that one was the first story

1185
00:52:30,859 --> 00:52:29,130
the other two where I got the picture

1186
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:30,869
and where the guy confronted me was are

1187
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:33,540
going to be the next one I see uh-huh

1188
00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:38,430
okay so were there any witnesses

1189
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:41,670
now you mentioned the media was on the

1190
00:52:47,059 --> 00:52:44,880
way out there when when this crash

1191
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,069
happened were there any witnesses that

1192
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:49,920
have come forward and you said that

1193
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:53,819
people actually saw this being loaded on

1194
00:53:01,130 --> 00:52:56,940
a flatbed or it was supposedly so where

1195
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:01,140
did you get that information there's not

1196
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:04,290
very many witnesses to the 1950 just

1197
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:06,089
have them come from the mine security

1198
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,010
who had to secure the area

1199
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:11,040
for the military and the National Guard

1200
00:53:15,110 --> 00:53:13,290
unit got there and a lot of the other

1201
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:15,120
stories actually come from people that

1202
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:16,440
had just happened to be out in the

1203
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:19,560
neighborhood when whatever it was came

1204
00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:20,970
from the sky and crashed into the

1205
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:23,880
snowbank one of the most popular stories

1206
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:26,130
comes from a guy named Claude house and

1207
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:28,590
he said that they're having some kind of

1208
00:53:32,990 --> 00:53:30,540
a dinner party at the time I was told

1209
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,000
and the one of the sheriff's from Ely

1210
00:53:36,830 --> 00:53:35,280
was actually at their house and they

1211
00:53:38,650 --> 00:53:36,840
were all in the front yard and they saw

1212
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:38,660
that they come down and crash into the

1213
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:43,380
snowbank and a lot of the stories about

1214
00:53:48,050 --> 00:53:45,540
the object on the truck come from the

1215
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,060
duck water Indian Reservation the duck

1216
00:53:54,050 --> 00:53:50,160
water Indian Reservation is close to

1217
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:54,060
that Road which is the the back the back

1218
00:53:59,420 --> 00:53:55,650
entrance to the mine where the trucks

1219
00:54:01,400 --> 00:53:59,430
were going to Hill Air Force Base mm-hmm

1220
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:01,410
people that happen to be out and about

1221
00:54:05,570 --> 00:54:03,000
or that heard all the trucks and the

1222
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:05,580
commotion I think if you asked me I

1223
00:54:10,610 --> 00:54:07,500
think they were probably woken up by the

1224
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:10,620
sound of all the trucks in the and the

1225
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:12,450
military cruising through town at night

1226
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:14,910
because doc waters a small place and I

1227
00:54:19,220 --> 00:54:17,400
know for a fact people in roofs and

1228
00:54:21,980 --> 00:54:19,230
people in duck waters said that there

1229
00:54:23,290 --> 00:54:21,990
was military police with Pearl the exact

1230
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:23,300
words I was given were pearl-handled

1231
00:54:29,180 --> 00:54:27,150
sidearms were going from door to door

1232
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:29,190
for at least two weeks afterwards

1233
00:54:32,810 --> 00:54:30,930
confronting people asking what they had

1234
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:32,820
seen and if they had seen anything they

1235
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:35,130
were told not to talk about it so most

1236
00:54:39,550 --> 00:54:36,780
of those types of stories come from the

1237
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:39,560
Indian Reservation but the actual

1238
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:42,630
loading onto the flat I bet most of

1239
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:44,370
those stories come from this mine

1240
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:46,380
security the actual witnessing of it

1241
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:49,800
being put onto the trucks okay someone

1242
00:54:56,030 --> 00:54:53,040
asked if these pictures or any pictures

1243
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:56,040
can be seen online and you have a

1244
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:57,810
website you can go ahead and give that

1245
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:00,420
out if you would um the my main website

1246
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:03,240
the best way to find me is if you click

1247
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:05,370
on my paranormal teams website which is

1248
00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:08,490
Bigfoot's pad comm and there's links to

1249
00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:11,940
my personal blog in my UFO website that

1250
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:14,700
talks about the e Lisa that's why the

1251
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:17,250
best the easiest way to do it yeah okay

1252
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:18,690
and there are some pictures I know you

1253
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,690
sent me a bunch of them so the

1254
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:24,240
one that I'd like to talk about before

1255
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,280
we get into the the crash that we're

1256
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:31,200
definitely going to talk about coming up

1257
00:55:37,310 --> 00:55:34,740
on its 64th anniversary is that let's

1258
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:37,320
talk about is that the Train is it a

1259
00:55:42,860 --> 00:55:39,900
train wreck or or something like that

1260
00:55:46,030 --> 00:55:42,870
yeah well originally I said I came to

1261
00:55:47,810 --> 00:55:46,040
Ely looking for this 1952 story and

1262
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:47,820
originally I thought that was the only

1263
00:55:52,850 --> 00:55:50,130
story that existed and I was featured in

1264
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,860
the Ely times newspaper I think it was

1265
00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:55,200
around Halloween time I have the article

1266
00:55:58,610 --> 00:55:56,700
saved I'd have to look at the date but I

1267
00:56:04,190 --> 00:55:58,620
think it was around Halloween time a

1268
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:04,200
couple years back and the article listed

1269
00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:05,700
my phone number and my email on there

1270
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:06,990
and it said if you want to if you have

1271
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:09,000
information give me a call or give me an

1272
00:56:15,350 --> 00:56:12,570
email and I got woken up by some guy an

1273
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:15,360
old and older an older guy he called me

1274
00:56:22,340 --> 00:56:18,780
saying that in 1962 or 1964 he didn't

1275
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:22,350
recall at the time he says that he was

1276
00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:24,180
on a he was working for the Nevada

1277
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:27,540
Northern Railway which it runs from that

1278
00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:28,770
copper mine I was just telling you about

1279
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:31,800
up to a town called McGill McGill is a

1280
00:56:36,110 --> 00:56:34,050
town where they would smelt the copper

1281
00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:36,120
after they mined it out of the town of

1282
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:38,550
Ruth and then once they smelted it they

1283
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:40,140
put it back on the train and bring it up

1284
00:56:46,940 --> 00:56:43,020
to Salt Lake City or some other place up

1285
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:46,950
north - sounded well anyway so this guy

1286
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:48,330
was hauling a batch of

1287
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:50,910
ore copper ore from the Robinson copper

1288
00:56:57,860 --> 00:56:55,110
mine going north and he says they came

1289
00:57:00,020 --> 00:56:57,870
around a bend in the tracks and his

1290
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:00,030
exact words were that the tracks were

1291
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:03,690
torn and thrown like pretzels and this

1292
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:05,490
man who was the brake man on the train

1293
00:57:09,050 --> 00:57:07,800
he hit the brake Hughes or either hit

1294
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:09,060
the brakes or was told to hit the brakes

1295
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:12,930
and the train stopped in an area where

1296
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:14,850
the tracks were destroyed and the I

1297
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:16,770
guess the train had a partial derailment

1298
00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:20,970
he was saying and when they finally came

1299
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:22,380
to a halt and they could collect

1300
00:57:26,180 --> 00:57:23,730
themselves they said they looked off to

1301
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:26,190
their to the side and you could see that

1302
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:28,440
there was some sort of a skid in the

1303
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:30,030
ground like something had hit the tracks

1304
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:32,310
and then bounced off and skidded and

1305
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:35,460
settled in some some sagebrush and some

1306
00:57:42,590 --> 00:57:40,010
plants at the base of the mountain well

1307
00:57:44,180 --> 00:57:42,600
he says that while they were sitting

1308
00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:44,190
there that there was some female

1309
00:57:49,210 --> 00:57:46,380
ranchers that were in the area and they

1310
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:49,220
had actually rode up to this craft and

1311
00:57:54,050 --> 00:57:51,450
again it was just similar to the other

1312
00:57:56,540 --> 00:57:54,060
one from 1952 it was miracle

1313
00:57:59,600 --> 00:57:56,550
it was metallic looking with no windows

1314
00:58:02,450 --> 00:57:59,610
but this one had a hole torn in one of

1315
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:02,460
the sides and he said that there were

1316
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,170
all kinds of debris thrown around the

1317
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:07,200
debris I was told look like a green it

1318
00:58:11,540 --> 00:58:08,850
looked like a look like glass but I had

1319
00:58:15,310 --> 00:58:11,550
a green metallic tint to it almost like

1320
00:58:17,660 --> 00:58:15,320
like glitters what I was told and I

1321
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:17,670
guess these female ranchers picked up

1322
00:58:20,780 --> 00:58:19,530
some of this material and they were

1323
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:20,790
asked some of them actually there was

1324
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:21,810
three or four of them they actually

1325
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:25,290
climbed on top of this object were and

1326
00:58:30,110 --> 00:58:28,500
we're examining this and eventually they

1327
00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:30,120
got back on their horses and rode off

1328
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:31,980
and the military arrived a little bit

1329
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:34,950
later and the military arrived they

1330
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:36,810
blocked off they blocked off all the

1331
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:39,570
roads nearby they picked up all the

1332
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:40,890
people off the train and brought him

1333
00:58:45,980 --> 00:58:42,420
back to the Ely jail where they

1334
00:58:51,020 --> 00:58:45,990
interrogated these people and once the

1335
00:58:53,090 --> 00:58:51,030
trains crew was out of sight there's the

1336
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:53,100
story gets kind of weird I guess the

1337
00:58:57,470 --> 00:58:55,260
disc was tipped upside down I call it a

1338
00:58:59,720 --> 00:58:57,480
disc it was tipped upside down like I

1339
00:59:02,300 --> 00:58:59,730
said there was a hole ripped in it I was

1340
00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:02,310
told by one of the men that was part of

1341
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:05,030
the Nevada ninth National Guard that

1342
00:59:10,850 --> 00:59:07,970
whoever was in charge of their group

1343
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,860
actually walked inside the craft and

1344
00:59:15,350 --> 00:59:13,200
looked around and according to that

1345
00:59:16,940 --> 00:59:15,360
according to the secondhand witness see

1346
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:16,950
I know if he call him a second head

1347
00:59:21,860 --> 00:59:18,710
witness he was on the side at the time

1348
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:21,870
but he was he was on guard duty his boss

1349
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:25,140
or his whoever was in charge was off in

1350
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:27,690
the craft at the time he said that it

1351
00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:29,070
looked like he was standing on the

1352
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:30,780
desert floor that you couldn't even tell

1353
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:32,490
that you were standing inside of a ship

1354
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:35,250
or a craft if you say if you want to use

1355
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:37,740
call it that and he said the only thing

1356
00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:39,780
you could tell was the only reason you

1357
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:40,980
could tell that you were inside a craft

1358
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:43,050
is that you could see that green glitter

1359
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:46,890
around you and he said that he was in

1360
00:59:48,980 --> 00:59:48,420
the craft for what he thought was a few

1361
00:59:50,570 --> 00:59:48,990
minutes

1362
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:50,580
turned out that it was close to an hour

1363
00:59:55,070 --> 00:59:53,250
I guess I don't know he just lost track

1364
00:59:59,140 --> 00:59:55,080
of time where if times slow down while

1365
01:00:01,760 --> 00:59:59,150
he was in there I'm not exactly sure so

1366
01:00:04,930 --> 01:00:01,770
he walks in the craft and looks around

1367
01:00:09,020 --> 01:00:04,940
he walks out and he starts ordering the

1368
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:09,030
object to be picked up well the story

1369
01:00:14,839 --> 01:00:12,450
goes that this object was so big and was

1370
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:14,849
caught up in the sagebrush that they had

1371
01:00:19,849 --> 01:00:16,440
to get a crane to pick it up

1372
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:19,859
well the biggest crane in the county at

1373
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,410
the time was a wrecking crane that was

1374
01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:25,200
for the Nevada Northern Railway and this

1375
01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:27,480
crane was brought on rail like like a

1376
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,880
train but in order to get the crane

1377
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:31,680
there they had to move the train that

1378
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:35,760
was filled with or so I went to the

1379
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:37,710
Nevada Northern Railway Museum on a

1380
01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:39,089
couple different occasions trying to

1381
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:44,790
find documentation for this and I can't

1382
01:00:50,780 --> 01:00:48,480
find any documentation saying where this

1383
01:00:53,060 --> 01:00:50,790
train win or where this train there's

1384
01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:53,070
proof that the Train came from Ruth but

1385
01:00:58,099 --> 01:00:54,540
there's no documentation saying it

1386
01:00:59,480 --> 01:00:58,109
arrived anywhere so I don't know what

1387
01:01:01,099 --> 01:00:59,490
happened I asked how would you take

1388
01:01:04,970 --> 01:01:01,109
apart a train or how would you go about

1389
01:01:07,070 --> 01:01:04,980
moving in and Sean Pitts who's the who's

1390
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:07,080
the this historian at the Museum or the

1391
01:01:11,570 --> 01:01:09,420
curator however you want to say that he

1392
01:01:13,820 --> 01:01:11,580
told me that they come off in pieces

1393
01:01:15,620 --> 01:01:13,830
they have the main box I guess the main

1394
01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:15,630
boxcar then they have the undercarriage

1395
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:17,880
and if you want to get technical you

1396
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:19,619
could break and break that up into other

1397
01:01:26,570 --> 01:01:25,290
pieces so the best story I could put

1398
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:26,580
together is that they brought this crane

1399
01:01:30,349 --> 01:01:28,260
down the tracks they picked they

1400
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:30,359
disassembled the train as quickly as

1401
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:30,780
they could

1402
01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:33,540
and eventually they picked up the UFO

1403
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:35,790
and put it on a truck using this crane

1404
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:40,290
and the story gets more interesting from

1405
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:42,900
here so they picked up the this UFO they

1406
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:46,130
put it on the trucks and they drive off

1407
01:01:53,810 --> 01:01:50,510
well I was contacted by an individual

1408
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:53,820
who used to live on the try think with

1409
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:54,720
the ranch is called

1410
01:01:58,460 --> 01:01:56,490
Don the Bassett Lake he used to live in

1411
01:02:02,570 --> 01:01:58,470
a place called Bassett lake which is out

1412
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:02,580
in that general area and he told me that

1413
01:02:08,090 --> 01:02:06,330
back in the 1960s he said he was he was

1414
01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:08,100
a young boy I think he was about seven

1415
01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:10,260
at the time and he was telling me that

1416
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:15,000
his mom had a similar story this is like

1417
01:02:19,070 --> 01:02:16,260
this is a little bit later after I

1418
01:02:23,060 --> 01:02:19,080
talked to the the guys that were on the

1419
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:23,070
train that day I was cut this guy called

1420
01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:24,420
me and he said that his mom actually

1421
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:28,020
rode out on horseback one day and saw

1422
01:02:31,970 --> 01:02:29,640
something similar to what I was looking

1423
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:31,980
for so again turns out that his mom was

1424
01:02:37,310 --> 01:02:34,170
one of those female ranchers that I had

1425
01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:37,320
mentioned earlier and he brought me out

1426
01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:39,390
to the he told me a general area where

1427
01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:42,060
the crash site was and he said that his

1428
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:44,070
mom still had pieces of this in a box

1429
01:02:49,490 --> 01:02:46,110
that it was a family heirloom

1430
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:49,500
and he described the same thing to me

1431
01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:51,030
said it looked like jagged pieces of

1432
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:53,430
glass with the metallic green glitter

1433
01:02:57,890 --> 01:02:55,650
look to it and I asked the guy if I

1434
01:02:59,330 --> 01:02:57,900
could visit him at the time he's moved

1435
01:03:02,480 --> 01:02:59,340
away now but at the time he was living

1436
01:03:04,460 --> 01:03:02,490
on the ranch and he told me that he'd

1437
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:04,470
have to ask his mom if I could go check

1438
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:07,050
out this these pieces of wreckage or

1439
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:10,710
whatever you want to call it and shortly

1440
01:03:13,970 --> 01:03:12,570
after they moved away and then I never

1441
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:13,980
heard from him again I tried to contact

1442
01:03:17,330 --> 01:03:15,570
him a few years ago and he said his mom

1443
01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:17,340
was on was not interested in talking to

1444
01:03:22,850 --> 01:03:19,260
me I don't know if she got scared or

1445
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:22,860
what but there's pieces of it still out

1446
01:03:27,980 --> 01:03:23,810
there

1447
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:27,990
well I continued continuing on I mean

1448
01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:29,880
just just stop right there just for a

1449
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:33,750
second that you know if I know people

1450
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:36,290
have talked about you know finding

1451
01:03:43,550 --> 01:03:40,410
anomalous objects or something you know

1452
01:03:46,220 --> 01:03:43,560
related to a crash and they've tested it

1453
01:03:48,740 --> 01:03:46,230
and they've come back and have said that

1454
01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:48,750
they're you know earth more like earthly

1455
01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:53,190
compound or one of them was no compound

1456
01:04:00,260 --> 01:03:57,240
has been found of the elements put

1457
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:00,270
together like that so it would be I mean

1458
01:04:04,450 --> 01:04:01,710
you know you think of all the elements

1459
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:04,460
in the universe you know perhaps we have

1460
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:10,290
all them here it's possible and so there

1461
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:12,690
may never be like a smoking gun evidence

1462
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:16,049
if unless some

1463
01:04:21,620 --> 01:04:18,569
things completely not found on this

1464
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:21,630
syrup type of thing you know you know

1465
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:22,079
what I mean

1466
01:04:27,620 --> 01:04:25,380
by the elements yeah yeah but it'd still

1467
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:27,630
be really interesting to test something

1468
01:04:36,890 --> 01:04:31,920
like that and so is that that's

1469
01:04:46,939 --> 01:04:36,900
basically a dead end on that but can I

1470
01:04:49,099 --> 01:04:46,949
hear yeah yeah can you hear me now all

1471
01:04:57,469 --> 01:04:49,109
right I told that we were supposed to

1472
01:05:05,239 --> 01:04:57,479
look for a specific mile Homer if and

1473
01:05:06,979 --> 01:05:05,249
and son I'm when Deadpool came man okay

1474
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:06,989
we're having a little bit of a sound

1475
01:05:15,169 --> 01:05:11,849
issue here we can you hear me with yeah

1476
01:05:17,059 --> 01:05:15,179
all right so I have your phone number

1477
01:05:20,359 --> 01:05:17,069
but go ahead and continue let's see if

1478
01:05:24,769 --> 01:05:20,369
it'll it'll straighten itself out okay

1479
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:24,779
can you hear me I can now yeah yes so um

1480
01:05:30,169 --> 01:05:27,599
we were told we were told to go look for

1481
01:05:32,569 --> 01:05:30,179
a specific mile marker because of the

1482
01:05:35,749 --> 01:05:32,579
railroad the railway was stopped stopped

1483
01:05:37,669 --> 01:05:35,759
being used in the 70s so the train

1484
01:05:39,549 --> 01:05:37,679
tracks are all overgrown and they

1485
01:05:42,109 --> 01:05:39,559
haven't been used in ages so they're

1486
01:05:43,549 --> 01:05:42,119
basically impossible to find where

1487
01:05:44,989 --> 01:05:43,559
something like this happened unless you

1488
01:05:50,029 --> 01:05:44,999
were told where to look by somebody

1489
01:05:53,509 --> 01:05:50,039
especially if you don't live there well

1490
01:05:55,819 --> 01:05:53,519
we were shown by eye informant we were

1491
01:05:57,279 --> 01:05:55,829
told that there was two ranches in the

1492
01:06:00,079 --> 01:05:57,289
area at the time

1493
01:06:01,759 --> 01:06:00,089
two major ranches where these ladies

1494
01:06:04,910 --> 01:06:01,769
would have wrote out from and again the

1495
01:06:07,249 --> 01:06:04,920
guy who called about the pickled glass

1496
01:06:11,419 --> 01:06:07,259
material he told us where they used to

1497
01:06:14,359 --> 01:06:11,429
live and the train tracks run right

1498
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:14,369
along the edge of this property and we

1499
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:15,689
were told again that there was a

1500
01:06:21,259 --> 01:06:19,380
mountain so there was like a added SAP

1501
01:06:24,589 --> 01:06:21,269
at the bottom of a mountain so there was

1502
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:24,599
a mountain there and we walked the

1503
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:28,380
tracks later we visited multiple times

1504
01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:29,530
but

1505
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:31,240
we walk the tracks and right where this

1506
01:06:36,990 --> 01:06:33,510
mileage marker was which was on a bend

1507
01:06:40,350 --> 01:06:37,000
there was a portion of like a long strip

1508
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:40,360
a long strip of soil that was a dark

1509
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:42,210
yellow copper color

1510
01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:46,570
well the mine has a dump site where they

1511
01:06:52,410 --> 01:06:48,760
dump their mind tailings and their waste

1512
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,420
materials somewhat nearby and this

1513
01:06:57,150 --> 01:06:54,640
specific site that we found next this

1514
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,160
mile marker was not owned by the mine at

1515
01:07:01,230 --> 01:06:58,960
any point in time it was owned by the

1516
01:07:06,450 --> 01:07:01,240
railroad but the railroad was a separate

1517
01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:06,460
entity from the actual mine so this was

1518
01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:08,470
kind of odd because the train tracks it

1519
01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:09,910
goes the train tracks if you picture

1520
01:07:12,780 --> 01:07:11,140
this in your mind on the far right

1521
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:12,790
there's train tracks which are kind of

1522
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:16,390
on a raised up platform platform of dirt

1523
01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:19,150
then there's a ditch in the middle on

1524
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:21,310
the left of the tracks filled with water

1525
01:07:27,060 --> 01:07:23,530
which was used for irrigation and on the

1526
01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:27,070
left side is just farmland and dirt

1527
01:07:32,790 --> 01:07:28,750
roads and farmland on the left

1528
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:32,800
well this strip of dirt was on the far

1529
01:07:38,580 --> 01:07:35,410
right side on the right side of this

1530
01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:38,590
ditch and it's in like a straight strip

1531
01:07:44,340 --> 01:07:40,510
and you could see that somebody dumped

1532
01:07:46,410 --> 01:07:44,350
that there and off to the side on the

1533
01:07:49,710 --> 01:07:46,420
other side of that ditch there's a very

1534
01:07:53,390 --> 01:07:49,720
large Crescent moon-shaped portion of

1535
01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:53,400
land with more of that copper colored

1536
01:07:56,790 --> 01:07:56,110
soil like someone dumped it there a long

1537
01:08:01,500 --> 01:07:56,800
time ago

1538
01:08:03,810 --> 01:08:01,510
and this started to make sense to us

1539
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:03,820
because they said that that something

1540
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:05,290
had come from the sky and hit the tracks

1541
01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:08,140
and it was laying either on someone's

1542
01:08:12,540 --> 01:08:10,630
farm or close to someone's farm and it

1543
01:08:18,059 --> 01:08:12,550
was on a bend in the tracks and it was

1544
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:18,069
by some place in the vicinity of Ely

1545
01:08:28,110 --> 01:08:26,170
Nevada so a little bit later we went

1546
01:08:30,329 --> 01:08:28,120
back to the Nevada Northern Railway

1547
01:08:33,870 --> 01:08:30,339
Museum and talked to the curator Sean

1548
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:33,880
Pitts and Sean had told us that he

1549
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:36,130
didn't believe in this story well I told

1550
01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:37,660
that we found the mile marker that we're

1551
01:08:42,690 --> 01:08:40,420
looking for and we found this portion of

1552
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:42,700
this long strip of dirt well he looked

1553
01:08:45,330 --> 01:08:43,330
in the record

1554
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:45,340
and there was no record of the mine or

1555
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:46,960
that the mine the railroad ever

1556
01:08:53,100 --> 01:08:48,640
repairing those tracks are putting that

1557
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:53,110
dirt there but what was kind of odd was

1558
01:08:55,980 --> 01:08:54,370
I mentioned that there was a giant

1559
01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:55,990
wrecking crane the biggest one in the

1560
01:09:00,270 --> 01:08:57,310
county at the time was supposedly used

1561
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:00,280
to pick up the UFO and he told us that

1562
01:09:05,610 --> 01:09:02,530
this racking crane was still on display

1563
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:05,620
at the Museum as part of their tour and

1564
01:09:11,190 --> 01:09:07,510
we looked at this wrecking crane he said

1565
01:09:12,450 --> 01:09:11,200
I had a 30-foot boom on the crane and it

1566
01:09:13,830 --> 01:09:12,460
would have made sense that they would

1567
01:09:16,410 --> 01:09:13,840
have needed this wrecking crane to pick

1568
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,420
up the UFO because it would had to pick

1569
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:18,400
it up out of that farmer's field lift it

1570
01:09:23,010 --> 01:09:19,330
over the ditch

1571
01:09:24,450 --> 01:09:23,020
and put it onto a flatbed truck the

1572
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:24,460
flatbed truck would have been on the

1573
01:09:32,010 --> 01:09:27,570
service road that ran next to the tracks

1574
01:09:33,810 --> 01:09:32,020
so we this was in April we found out we

1575
01:09:35,460 --> 01:09:33,820
found this crash site by the way so we

1576
01:09:37,170 --> 01:09:35,470
have to go back there later this year

1577
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:37,180
and do some tests on the area and all

1578
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:40,330
that but we're pretty sure we found the

1579
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:42,310
area it's right all the clues match up

1580
01:09:46,650 --> 01:09:44,290
and it's where the people said said it

1581
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,660
would be the only thing that's kind of a

1582
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:48,400
bummer is that a lot of the people are

1583
01:09:56,220 --> 01:09:50,490
not here anymore because again this was

1584
01:09:57,930 --> 01:09:56,230
1962 1962 1964 I think it was June 1964

1585
01:10:03,750 --> 01:09:57,940
but some people will argue differently

1586
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:03,760
about it and that story was actually

1587
01:10:08,970 --> 01:10:06,130
like a local legend until we started

1588
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:08,980
looking into this and there's actually

1589
01:10:15,450 --> 01:10:11,710
more evidence to support the 1960s train

1590
01:10:17,070 --> 01:10:15,460
story than the 1952 crash I had

1591
01:10:18,510 --> 01:10:17,080
mentioned earlier I mean there's

1592
01:10:19,860 --> 01:10:18,520
witnesses for both but there's a lot

1593
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:19,870
more witnesses for the Train story

1594
01:10:23,970 --> 01:10:21,910
because this was a little bit later and

1595
01:10:29,250 --> 01:10:23,980
this was after UFOs when mainstream

1596
01:10:32,490 --> 01:10:29,260
media and all that mm-hmm-hmm so 1952

1597
01:10:37,820 --> 01:10:32,500
getting back to that year was a real big

1598
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:37,830
year for as far as UFOs go let's see

1599
01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:41,440
Matthew made a good point have you well

1600
01:10:46,050 --> 01:10:42,670
I don't know if you would have the

1601
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:46,060
equipment for it but has anyone tested

1602
01:10:52,650 --> 01:10:48,970
that crane for or have you thought about

1603
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:52,660
testing that crane for radiation I

1604
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:54,310
thought about it because we're gonna get

1605
01:10:57,150 --> 01:10:56,530
Geiger counters and different types of

1606
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:57,160
equipment

1607
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,440
back out there Shawn Shawn and the guys

1608
01:11:02,970 --> 01:11:00,880
at the Museum are really nice people

1609
01:11:05,190 --> 01:11:02,980
we're hoping to do that but I've never

1610
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,200
asked I know that the museum is owned by

1611
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:07,840
the state and generally the state won't

1612
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,750
acknowledge UFOs that it won't let you

1613
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:12,640
do tests and things on equipment for

1614
01:11:16,830 --> 01:11:15,070
things like that because I know like I

1615
01:11:18,300 --> 01:11:16,840
said we do ghost hunting also also they

1616
01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:18,310
won't even let us do that you usually

1617
01:11:24,690 --> 01:11:22,420
that's not even touching their stuff you

1618
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,700
mean like you try to go through the

1619
01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:26,560
trouble of getting permission and you're

1620
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:28,270
denied is that what it is yeah usually

1621
01:11:31,950 --> 01:11:30,190
if you try to go through like trying to

1622
01:11:34,650 --> 01:11:31,960
either write written permission or call

1623
01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:34,660
around usually people won't let you do

1624
01:11:38,670 --> 01:11:36,190
it if it's run by the state for some

1625
01:11:40,590 --> 01:11:38,680
reason I think cuz Ealy's a small town

1626
01:11:42,810 --> 01:11:40,600
and they know who I am they might let me

1627
01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:42,820
do it but at this point time I haven't

1628
01:11:49,290 --> 01:11:46,270
asked or anything yeah wow that's

1629
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:49,300
something okay I forgot to mention if

1630
01:11:54,270 --> 01:11:51,310
then once if anyone wants to call in the

1631
01:11:58,140 --> 01:11:54,280
show you're welcome to call and ask our

1632
01:11:59,970 --> 01:11:58,150
guests a question I've had issues with

1633
01:12:02,220 --> 01:11:59,980
the phone a couple of times but I'm

1634
01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:02,230
willing to give it a try if anyone wants

1635
01:12:08,220 --> 01:12:05,590
to dial it's six oh three nine six seven

1636
01:12:10,110 --> 01:12:08,230
four oh three oh if you're also

1637
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:10,120
listening live you if you're listening

1638
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:13,570
on PSN radio you can send a message

1639
01:12:20,690 --> 01:12:16,440
through the Skype chat or over at

1640
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:20,700
podcasts UFO comm pardon me

1641
01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:28,050
so before we get into the July 7th crash

1642
01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:33,550
you actually go into paranormal is there

1643
01:12:40,830 --> 01:12:37,300
a lot going on in in the Las Vegas area

1644
01:12:44,370 --> 01:12:40,840
for paranormal or do you branch out such

1645
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:44,380
as you did for the UFO crashes um most

1646
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:46,690
of our if we're gonna do something other

1647
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:49,510
than UFOs usually Las Vegas is in a very

1648
01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:50,800
good area of this because it's not very

1649
01:12:55,170 --> 01:12:53,230
many old buildings or the people don't

1650
01:12:57,420 --> 01:12:55,180
generally stay here for very long before

1651
01:12:58,980 --> 01:12:57,430
they go on to other places we spend a

1652
01:13:02,870 --> 01:12:58,990
lot of time in northern Nevada and

1653
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:02,880
California and Arizona generally both

1654
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:05,080
there's not too many places to do like

1655
01:13:09,310 --> 01:13:06,610
ghost hunting or things like that around

1656
01:13:16,660 --> 01:13:14,860
Wow yeah I can see that and well before

1657
01:13:19,540 --> 01:13:16,670
we move on to that just one last

1658
01:13:24,580 --> 01:13:19,550
question where is do people actually see

1659
01:13:27,010 --> 01:13:24,590
a Bigfoot in like Utah or I'm thinking

1660
01:13:29,470 --> 01:13:27,020
of these wide-open skies and deserts

1661
01:13:32,430 --> 01:13:29,480
like Arizona places like that I mean

1662
01:13:34,810 --> 01:13:32,440
have you ever investigated one of those

1663
01:13:36,370 --> 01:13:34,820
there's something I mean we go to

1664
01:13:38,050 --> 01:13:36,380
Northern California and all that where

1665
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:38,060
you hear about it all the time the

1666
01:13:41,740 --> 01:13:39,710
popular sightings we go to those places

1667
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:41,750
but there's something called the sand

1668
01:13:43,870 --> 01:13:42,170
Yeti

1669
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:43,880
it's supposed to be a bigfoot-type

1670
01:13:49,420 --> 01:13:45,920
creature that lives in the forests of

1671
01:13:51,790 --> 01:13:49,430
Arizona and parts of Southern Nevada and

1672
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:51,800
I didn't believe in it at first until we

1673
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:54,080
started actually looking for these

1674
01:14:00,190 --> 01:13:56,450
trying to seek people that had seen

1675
01:14:01,870 --> 01:14:00,200
these creatures and now we have a big

1676
01:14:05,860 --> 01:14:01,880
old stack of sightings mostly from

1677
01:14:10,210 --> 01:14:05,870
Arizona Wow well Arizona is also diverse

1678
01:14:13,150 --> 01:14:10,220
there's places like Flagstaff where you

1679
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:13,160
know you can get into you know more of

1680
01:14:17,740 --> 01:14:16,370
tree coverage too as well yeah and when

1681
01:14:19,150 --> 01:14:17,750
I say the Sandy I don't mean it's

1682
01:14:22,570 --> 01:14:19,160
walking around in the scrub brush it's

1683
01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:22,580
in the pits in the forest huh all right

1684
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:26,470
well let's talk about the July 7th crash

1685
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:29,090
this was though was that one of the

1686
01:14:35,290 --> 01:14:32,320
first ones you really looked into deeply

1687
01:14:38,410 --> 01:14:35,300
well I originally looked for the copper

1688
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,420
mine crash the 1952 one and when I was

1689
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:40,640
looking at where I got started out

1690
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:42,890
traveling around the country or and all

1691
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:45,170
that this actually came up on Project

1692
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:47,810
Blue Book and then from Project Blue

1693
01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:49,730
Book I found some names and then I went

1694
01:14:56,380 --> 01:14:53,390
on from there wow so you really you

1695
01:14:59,620 --> 01:14:56,390
really go deep into this for

1696
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:59,630
investigating so listen let's hear the

1697
01:15:04,660 --> 01:15:02,000
details of this particular one all right

1698
01:15:08,610 --> 01:15:04,670
well this one this one for your audience

1699
01:15:11,020 --> 01:15:08,620
you have to pay close attention to the

1700
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:11,030
bees the end of the story won't make a

1701
01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:12,410
lot of sense and I've been on other

1702
01:15:20,250 --> 01:15:14,510
radio shows where people got kind of

1703
01:15:21,850 --> 01:15:20,260
confused this is actually on July 7th

1704
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:21,860
1952

1705
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:25,280
which was what five years to the day the

1706
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:28,010
Roswell crash happened - yeah it was

1707
01:15:34,410 --> 01:15:32,450
about that it was they some people say

1708
01:15:37,390 --> 01:15:34,420
the seventh some people say the eighth

1709
01:15:40,060 --> 01:15:37,400
the eighth is when the I know is when

1710
01:15:43,390 --> 01:15:40,070
they flew the debris over and you know

1711
01:15:45,010 --> 01:15:43,400
said that it was a weather balloon so I

1712
01:15:50,110 --> 01:15:45,020
think it was somewhere around there but

1713
01:15:52,780 --> 01:15:50,120
I think that max Braswell also thought

1714
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:52,790
he heard like thunderclap and possibly a

1715
01:15:57,010 --> 01:15:54,890
crash on the six so I don't know if

1716
01:16:00,250 --> 01:15:57,020
anyone knows the exact day that that

1717
01:16:03,310 --> 01:16:00,260
actually happened okay well ironically

1718
01:16:05,130 --> 01:16:03,320
it's close to today's date - yeah right

1719
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:05,140
yeah

1720
01:16:11,860 --> 01:16:08,510
well the story begins at around 10:30 in

1721
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:11,870
the morning over Ogden Utah and Salt

1722
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:15,770
Lake Utah witnesses this was a Sunday

1723
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:17,690
morning I think it was Sunday or Monday

1724
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:19,610
morning I think it was a Sunday so

1725
01:16:22,210 --> 01:16:21,440
anyways there's lots of people about on

1726
01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:22,220
a Sunday morning

1727
01:16:28,030 --> 01:16:25,190
they saw something it looked like orange

1728
01:16:30,490 --> 01:16:28,040
fireball with the blue gaseous smoke

1729
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:30,500
trail or a smoke cloud behind it was

1730
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:36,170
flying from east to west and this this

1731
01:16:40,750 --> 01:16:38,090
fireball was described as anywhere

1732
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:40,760
between 4,000 feet and 25,000 feet up in

1733
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:43,730
the air so the it buried but this object

1734
01:16:48,340 --> 01:16:45,920
was obviously coming down it was at it

1735
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:48,350
going at an arch or an arc like this

1736
01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:49,520
thing was gonna this thing was gonna

1737
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:52,310
crash eventually and this was at 10:30

1738
01:16:57,700 --> 01:16:52,970
in the morning

1739
01:16:59,980 --> 01:16:57,710
well Hill Air Force Base was actually

1740
01:17:02,650 --> 01:16:59,990
doing such training mission with a b-26

1741
01:17:05,710 --> 01:17:02,660
bomber which was piloted by a pilot

1742
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:05,720
named Robert s Cal white and Cal White

1743
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:08,810
was told to pursue this object once it

1744
01:17:12,910 --> 01:17:10,130
came into view because they weren't sure

1745
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:12,920
what this thing was so this b-26 bombers

1746
01:17:18,220 --> 01:17:14,480
turns around and is chasing after this

1747
01:17:20,710 --> 01:17:18,230
object meanwhile the Salt Lake City

1748
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:20,720
Municipal Airport and the airport in

1749
01:17:25,660 --> 01:17:23,450
Ogden Utah were tracking this object

1750
01:17:29,230 --> 01:17:25,670
they thought that there was a plane that

1751
01:17:31,810 --> 01:17:29,240
was going down and the the tower over at

1752
01:17:35,530 --> 01:17:31,820
the Salt Lake Airport said that they saw

1753
01:17:37,930 --> 01:17:35,540
a square object it was a black square

1754
01:17:41,310 --> 01:17:37,940
that was on fire and that's what they

1755
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:41,320
described and this was coming down and

1756
01:17:47,740 --> 01:17:43,610
meanwhile like I said cowboy is chasing

1757
01:17:49,690 --> 01:17:47,750
this thing and this object they said

1758
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:49,700
that they could never fully catch up to

1759
01:17:54,430 --> 01:17:52,730
this object that no matter how fast this

1760
01:17:56,410 --> 01:17:54,440
bomber was flying that the object was

1761
01:17:58,090 --> 01:17:56,420
always far ahead of them but they did

1762
01:18:00,040 --> 01:17:58,100
say they managed to fly into this blue

1763
01:18:01,630 --> 01:18:00,050
smoke cloud well when they would find

1764
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:01,640
this smoke cloud they said the plane

1765
01:18:05,230 --> 01:18:03,530
would start acting strange like it would

1766
01:18:07,390 --> 01:18:05,240
start losing altitude or the engines

1767
01:18:10,330 --> 01:18:07,400
would start sputtering or they would

1768
01:18:14,980 --> 01:18:10,340
start revving almost as if they were

1769
01:18:17,410 --> 01:18:14,990
intentionally trying to do that well the

1770
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:17,420
Cal White was they got to the smoke

1771
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:19,730
cloud and meanwhile this object like I

1772
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:21,050
said it's way off in the distance like

1773
01:18:25,540 --> 01:18:24,290
going hundreds of hundreds of miles an

1774
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:25,550
hour faster than this plane and

1775
01:18:30,250 --> 01:18:28,130
eventually the object just stops it's on

1776
01:18:33,220 --> 01:18:30,260
fire and it just completely stops and

1777
01:18:35,170 --> 01:18:33,230
this plane is flying trying to catch up

1778
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:35,180
to it and the plane almost runs into it

1779
01:18:38,890 --> 01:18:37,490
and right as the plane almost runs into

1780
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:38,900
it this object goes straight down

1781
01:18:43,450 --> 01:18:40,880
towards the ground almost like it's

1782
01:18:46,270 --> 01:18:43,460
gonna plummet into the ground and it

1783
01:18:48,580 --> 01:18:46,280
shoots off into the distance but it goes

1784
01:18:50,740 --> 01:18:48,590
so fast that at the time Cal white

1785
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:50,750
reported that they saw the object crash

1786
01:18:56,140 --> 01:18:54,170
into the west side of the Salt Lake but

1787
01:18:58,570 --> 01:18:56,150
meanwhile before the object took off

1788
01:19:00,400 --> 01:18:58,580
there was something that they that

1789
01:19:02,230 --> 01:19:00,410
witnesses on the ground and Cal White

1790
01:19:04,750 --> 01:19:02,240
and his crew reported as a flash of

1791
01:19:06,340 --> 01:19:04,760
lightning and this was in the middle of

1792
01:19:07,780 --> 01:19:06,350
the daytime of course at 10:30 in the

1793
01:19:09,070 --> 01:19:07,790
morning they saw what they thought was

1794
01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:09,080
this flash of lightning there was no

1795
01:19:16,180 --> 01:19:12,670
clouds around and this object took off

1796
01:19:17,980 --> 01:19:16,190
well Cal white and the Salt Lake Airport

1797
01:19:20,590 --> 01:19:17,990
like I said said that this thing crashed

1798
01:19:22,900 --> 01:19:20,600
in the west bank of the Salt Lake so

1799
01:19:24,340 --> 01:19:22,910
ground crews were called out from Hill

1800
01:19:25,570 --> 01:19:24,350
Air Force Base and they started

1801
01:19:28,270 --> 01:19:25,580
searching the lake and they started

1802
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:28,280
searching the side the west side of this

1803
01:19:35,470 --> 01:19:32,330
lake and the object actually didn't

1804
01:19:36,370 --> 01:19:35,480
crash in the lake at all what was

1805
01:19:41,010 --> 01:19:36,380
strange

1806
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:41,020
I'll have to fast rewind a little bit

1807
01:19:45,820 --> 01:19:43,850
witnesses saw witnesses saw this flash

1808
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:45,830
of light flash of lightning sorry and

1809
01:19:48,850 --> 01:19:47,810
tongue-tied here they see a flash of

1810
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:48,860
lightning

1811
01:19:56,919 --> 01:19:53,360
and some witnesses on the ground say

1812
01:20:00,609 --> 01:19:56,929
that they saw a second object coming

1813
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:00,619
from north to south and they say that

1814
01:20:06,819 --> 01:20:03,050
they saw whatever this object was run

1815
01:20:09,250 --> 01:20:06,829
into the orange object well the object

1816
01:20:12,330 --> 01:20:09,260
that came from north to south witnesses

1817
01:20:16,180 --> 01:20:12,340
say was a green spherical object and

1818
01:20:18,879 --> 01:20:16,190
this green spherical object was reported

1819
01:20:22,689 --> 01:20:18,889
earlier that morning in Great Falls

1820
01:20:24,370 --> 01:20:22,699
Montana and there was a military base up

1821
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:24,380
there they were saying that they were

1822
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:26,510
following it and it was doing a circular

1823
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:28,489
pattern and it was on fire and it was

1824
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:30,650
smoking I don't know from what but it

1825
01:20:33,939 --> 01:20:32,090
was doing a circular pattern around

1826
01:20:37,569 --> 01:20:33,949
Montana before it went south through

1827
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:37,579
Idaho and there was an airline that

1828
01:20:42,669 --> 01:20:39,770
reported seeing the flying object flying

1829
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:42,679
off in the distance faster than their

1830
01:20:48,459 --> 01:20:44,650
plane was flying so there's proof

1831
01:20:50,799 --> 01:20:48,469
there's proof of the north-to-south

1832
01:20:54,910 --> 01:20:50,809
object appearing before the east to west

1833
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:54,920
object and after they saw this flash of

1834
01:20:58,479 --> 01:20:56,449
lightning and went as far south the

1835
01:21:04,780 --> 01:20:58,489
Cedar City people were reporting seeing

1836
01:21:06,459 --> 01:21:04,790
this flash of lightning by the way the

1837
01:21:10,990 --> 01:21:06,469
next thing the next thing that is

1838
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:11,000
reported is that around 11:30 on July

1839
01:21:16,839 --> 01:21:14,480
7th 1950 to an hour after the orange

1840
01:21:19,689 --> 01:21:16,849
fireball made an appearance there was a

1841
01:21:22,299 --> 01:21:19,699
fresh forest fire about 30 miles west of

1842
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:22,309
Wendover Nevada which is where this

1843
01:21:28,689 --> 01:21:25,250
green spherical object ended up crashing

1844
01:21:33,310 --> 01:21:28,699
and Wendover Nevada is kind of far from

1845
01:21:35,919 --> 01:21:33,320
Ogden if you look on a map but this

1846
01:21:38,290 --> 01:21:35,929
whatever this object was it crashed into

1847
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:38,300
the ground there and there was a

1848
01:21:43,390 --> 01:21:40,400
volunteer firefighter group that came

1849
01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:43,400
from Wendover West Wendover Nevada to go

1850
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:46,070
investigate this and from what I was

1851
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:49,520
told the firefighters pulled up on to

1852
01:21:54,069 --> 01:21:52,010
the scene and they said that when they

1853
01:21:55,810 --> 01:21:54,079
were getting out of their truck they

1854
01:21:57,069 --> 01:21:55,820
were prepared for some kind of an

1855
01:21:59,410 --> 01:21:57,079
airplane crash or that they were

1856
01:22:01,359 --> 01:21:59,420
prepared for some kind of chemical fire

1857
01:22:02,140 --> 01:22:01,369
so he said they were getting their hoses

1858
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:02,150
and all that

1859
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:03,530
they were heading out towards the

1860
01:22:07,899 --> 01:22:05,810
smoking area well as they were getting

1861
01:22:10,330 --> 01:22:07,909
close to this smoky area they said it

1862
01:22:13,959 --> 01:22:10,340
smelt like a like a chemical fire that

1863
01:22:15,850 --> 01:22:13,969
something was so they could tell us

1864
01:22:17,919 --> 01:22:15,860
something wasn't right and as they were

1865
01:22:19,810 --> 01:22:17,929
walking closer and closer the smell got

1866
01:22:22,209 --> 01:22:19,820
more and more they got stronger and

1867
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:22,219
stronger until they finally got to the

1868
01:22:26,979 --> 01:22:23,690
point where they could see that there

1869
01:22:28,959 --> 01:22:26,989
was a round glowing spherical object

1870
01:22:31,660 --> 01:22:28,969
that had like a yellow smoke was coming

1871
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:31,670
out of this crater in the ground and he

1872
01:22:36,669 --> 01:22:33,440
said that this thing was glowing like a

1873
01:22:38,890 --> 01:22:36,679
like I guess like you're frying bacon

1874
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:38,900
like it was a pan this is the way worded

1875
01:22:42,430 --> 01:22:40,370
it was a pan that was frying bacon his

1876
01:22:45,340 --> 01:22:42,440
thing was hot and it was smoking he said

1877
01:22:47,410 --> 01:22:45,350
it looked that it looked like it was wet

1878
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:47,420
I don't know what he means why I said

1879
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:48,650
looked like someone had hosed it off

1880
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:50,330
with a hose that this thing was wet but

1881
01:22:56,350 --> 01:22:52,010
it was boiling at the same time whatever

1882
01:22:57,939 --> 01:22:56,360
this was and I guess he says that

1883
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:57,949
eventually the military showed up and

1884
01:23:00,880 --> 01:22:59,360
told him to leave and he says at that

1885
01:23:04,290 --> 01:23:00,890
point in time they don't know what

1886
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:04,300
happened they don't that that's the only

1887
01:23:08,110 --> 01:23:06,650
the only stories I have from the

1888
01:23:09,370 --> 01:23:08,120
southern crash site because I break it

1889
01:23:12,220 --> 01:23:09,380
down to the southern crash site in the

1890
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:12,230
northern crash site I like to I like to

1891
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:13,730
talk about that one first because most

1892
01:23:20,290 --> 01:23:15,890
the more interesting story is the orange

1893
01:23:21,729 --> 01:23:20,300
object so okay like I said so they

1894
01:23:24,340 --> 01:23:21,739
thought this orange object plummeted

1895
01:23:27,580 --> 01:23:24,350
into the ground on the west side of the

1896
01:23:29,770 --> 01:23:27,590
Salt Lake and but in reality it was it

1897
01:23:33,580 --> 01:23:29,780
collided with that green object and it

1898
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:33,590
took off going towards Nevada and next

1899
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:39,530
thing you know was I'd say around 10:40

1900
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:42,650
10:45 in the morning the next thing you

1901
01:23:49,290 --> 01:23:45,610
know there's a report by a man named uh

1902
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:49,300
let me look real quick look at my notes

1903
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:53,210
there's a guy named Hobbs and Hobbs he

1904
01:23:57,970 --> 01:23:55,250
was working for the Southern Pacific

1905
01:24:00,010 --> 01:23:57,980
Railroad WS Hobbs he was an assistant

1906
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:00,020
train master in a town called Montello

1907
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:03,170
Nevada and he says that they heard a

1908
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:06,530
heavy explosion around 10:30 to 10:40

1909
01:24:10,270 --> 01:24:08,090
and he saw this said that they saw a

1910
01:24:12,580 --> 01:24:10,280
huge column of smoke and dust hanging in

1911
01:24:15,459 --> 01:24:12,590
the sky and they said that they saw a

1912
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:15,469
blue and yellow smoke coming out of an

1913
01:24:19,870 --> 01:24:16,010
area known

1914
01:24:21,550 --> 01:24:19,880
as the dairy Valley well something

1915
01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:21,560
interesting to note was that this was a

1916
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:24,260
hundred and twelve miles west of Ogden

1917
01:24:29,020 --> 01:24:26,930
Utah so this object collided with the

1918
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:29,030
green object and went a hundred and

1919
01:24:34,350 --> 01:24:31,130
twelve miles and about five ten minutes

1920
01:24:37,180 --> 01:24:34,360
and crashed in Nevada so this thing was

1921
01:24:38,860 --> 01:24:37,190
going at supersonic speeds faster than

1922
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:38,870
any vehicle or any kind of flying

1923
01:24:47,890 --> 01:24:46,090
anyway so he says that they see the

1924
01:24:49,060 --> 01:24:47,900
smoke cloud in the air for several

1925
01:24:52,330 --> 01:24:49,070
minutes and he says that it slowly

1926
01:24:53,770 --> 01:24:52,340
drifted away and the quick note that I

1927
01:24:55,930 --> 01:24:53,780
would like to make from the ogden stay

1928
01:24:57,490 --> 01:24:55,940
in standard examiner from july 8th is

1929
01:24:59,950 --> 01:24:57,500
that hobbes was interviewed and he said

1930
01:25:02,890 --> 01:24:59,960
that there was no no blasting an area at

1931
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:02,900
the time so they don't know what caused

1932
01:25:08,710 --> 01:25:06,800
this explosion well on July 8th which is

1933
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:08,720
the day after a guy named Ralph Gibbs

1934
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:12,050
who's a soil conservationist him he got

1935
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:13,520
a group of ranchers together from

1936
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,530
montello to go investigate this area

1937
01:25:20,650 --> 01:25:18,080
where the smoke was coming from and he

1938
01:25:23,410 --> 01:25:20,660
says the next day they found a 600 acre

1939
01:25:26,590 --> 01:25:23,420
tract of burnt land in the dairy valley

1940
01:25:28,900 --> 01:25:26,600
which at that time was 26 miles north of

1941
01:25:30,460 --> 01:25:28,910
the town of Montello nowadays Montello

1942
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:30,470
is kind of a ghost town no one really

1943
01:25:35,410 --> 01:25:33,170
lives there because a fire decimated a

1944
01:25:40,330 --> 01:25:35,420
big portion of the town shortly after

1945
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:40,340
this actually but they said that there

1946
01:25:44,650 --> 01:25:42,410
was no evidence of a meteor there was no

1947
01:25:45,970 --> 01:25:44,660
evidence of a fire but I mean they're

1948
01:25:48,010 --> 01:25:45,980
obviously there was burnt land but there

1949
01:25:50,650 --> 01:25:48,020
was no smoldering it look like someone

1950
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:50,660
had put the fire out was the word I'm

1951
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:51,170
looking for

1952
01:25:56,710 --> 01:25:55,250
and they said around 1:00 p.m. while

1953
01:26:00,360 --> 01:25:56,720
they were heading out to the crash site

1954
01:26:03,340 --> 01:26:00,370
they said that they saw a b-36 bomber

1955
01:26:06,340 --> 01:26:03,350
with a vapor trail flying from Ogden

1956
01:26:08,350 --> 01:26:06,350
Utah coming towards Nevada because at

1957
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:08,360
this point in time the newspapers were

1958
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:10,850
going crazy at the time posting the

1959
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:13,370
story about a UFO and I think that was

1960
01:26:17,860 --> 01:26:15,530
what their version of trying to come up

1961
01:26:19,660 --> 01:26:17,870
with some kind of a cover like a

1962
01:26:22,210 --> 01:26:19,670
cover-up because they said that there

1963
01:26:23,860 --> 01:26:22,220
was obviously a b-36 bomber and there

1964
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:23,870
they had a vapor trail coming out the

1965
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:25,760
back and the military later so that

1966
01:26:29,530 --> 01:26:27,890
that's what people thought they saw when

1967
01:26:32,230 --> 01:26:29,540
they saw this UFO crash

1968
01:26:34,030 --> 01:26:32,240
so kind of kind of a kind of a dumb

1969
01:26:39,370 --> 01:26:34,040
explanation but that's what they said it

1970
01:26:42,250 --> 01:26:39,380
was so you're is this all your own

1971
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:42,260
thoughts or have you read anyone else's

1972
01:26:49,570 --> 01:26:47,120
ideas on this particular one - has

1973
01:26:51,940 --> 01:26:49,580
anyone else corroborated that they think

1974
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:51,950
there was a collision and that both

1975
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:54,400
these vehicles or whatever they were

1976
01:26:59,920 --> 01:26:56,570
crashed from the collision

1977
01:27:02,470 --> 01:26:59,930
oh yeah well one quick note I was gonna

1978
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:02,480
make is that most most of the cases that

1979
01:27:07,330 --> 01:27:05,090
I told you about besides the 1952 mine

1980
01:27:09,460 --> 01:27:07,340
crash there's really no other

1981
01:27:12,580 --> 01:27:09,470
investigators besides me and the will

1982
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:12,590
Willard McIntyre but for this specific

1983
01:27:16,300 --> 01:27:14,810
incident there's all kinds of people

1984
01:27:18,370 --> 01:27:16,310
that said that they saw the two object

1985
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:18,380
hit each other but there's also people

1986
01:27:21,190 --> 01:27:19,730
that said that they didn't see the two

1987
01:27:23,890 --> 01:27:21,200
objects at each other at the same time

1988
01:27:29,980 --> 01:27:23,900
but there's more people that say that it

1989
01:27:31,390 --> 01:27:29,990
hit then didn't I mean I have different

1990
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:31,400
stories from different people around

1991
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:33,050
town I could use their names and stuff

1992
01:27:39,610 --> 01:27:38,330
if you need me to but a lot of people

1993
01:27:42,820 --> 01:27:39,620
asked me well how do you know that this

1994
01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:42,830
wasn't a bolide meteor like the one that

1995
01:27:46,270 --> 01:27:44,510
was seen in Russia somewhat recently

1996
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:46,280
mm-hmm

1997
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:48,050
there's a couple different people that

1998
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:49,760
worked at colleges like there's a guy

1999
01:27:53,620 --> 01:27:51,650
named Charles Charles Osmond Webber

2000
01:27:55,650 --> 01:27:53,630
there Charles Osmond he worked at Webber

2001
01:27:58,660 --> 01:27:55,660
College he was an astronomer instructor

2002
01:28:02,260 --> 01:27:58,670
he said that the long trail of smoke in

2003
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:02,270
orange I guess like the fire he said

2004
01:28:05,740 --> 01:28:03,530
those were characteristics of a

2005
01:28:07,540 --> 01:28:05,750
meteorite but he said meteorites enter

2006
01:28:08,830 --> 01:28:07,550
the atmosphere at a speed at about seven

2007
01:28:11,380 --> 01:28:08,840
miles per second and are usually

2008
01:28:15,310 --> 01:28:11,390
entirely consumed before reaching the

2009
01:28:16,990 --> 01:28:15,320
earth so he didn't think that he didn't

2010
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:17,000
think at the time that this was a UF

2011
01:28:23,140 --> 01:28:18,560
that this was a meteor he thought that

2012
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:23,150
this was something else I guess like I

2013
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:24,410
said then there's the people and the

2014
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,570
Ogden Municipal Airport and the Salt

2015
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:28,400
Lake Airport they said that they saw the

2016
01:28:35,650 --> 01:28:32,080
object was a square square object right

2017
01:28:37,650 --> 01:28:35,660
and that's about the fourth or fifth UFO

2018
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:37,660
that I've heard described as a square

2019
01:28:45,710 --> 01:28:42,450
object yeah the one recently was

2020
01:28:49,970 --> 01:28:45,720
like an orange square object from an air

2021
01:28:53,180 --> 01:28:49,980
flight in and actually out I think it is

2022
01:28:55,220 --> 01:28:53,190
in Nevada or Utah out there I don't know

2023
01:29:01,370 --> 01:28:55,230
if you've heard about that case which

2024
01:29:05,620 --> 01:29:01,380
one it all started with a ham radio the

2025
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:05,630
report that someone heard on their radio

2026
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:08,850
Jessica I'm sorry Erica Luke's is

2027
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:11,850
investigating it I'm not sure yeah it's

2028
01:29:17,380 --> 01:29:13,770
interesting but it's one of the square

2029
01:29:19,940 --> 01:29:17,390
ones you do hear about so nothing

2030
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:19,950
surprised me when it comes to that that

2031
01:29:26,990 --> 01:29:23,370
did sound a little bit like a meteor or

2032
01:29:30,650 --> 01:29:27,000
a fireball which I've seen myself I've

2033
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,660
seen a fireball I don't recall if it had

2034
01:29:35,930 --> 01:29:32,400
a streak behind it or not but it was

2035
01:29:37,940 --> 01:29:35,940
definitely like an orange and it was the

2036
01:29:39,290 --> 01:29:37,950
most that I've had a UFO sighting and

2037
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:39,300
this thing was the most amazing thing

2038
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:41,910
I've ever seen it's this big orange ball

2039
01:29:47,900 --> 01:29:44,130
just turning and as it was moving across

2040
01:29:50,180 --> 01:29:47,910
the sky over me really a son that sounds

2041
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:50,190
cool yeah yeah

2042
01:29:55,820 --> 01:29:54,210
so had anyone looked into actually the

2043
01:29:59,810 --> 01:29:55,830
sites where these things supposedly

2044
01:30:01,100 --> 01:29:59,820
crashed um yeah there's a newspaper let

2045
01:30:03,620 --> 01:30:01,110
me find it real quick there's a

2046
01:30:07,190 --> 01:30:03,630
newspaper story it comes from the Ogden

2047
01:30:09,370 --> 01:30:07,200
standard examiner on July 9 to 1952 they

2048
01:30:11,780 --> 01:30:09,380
actually have pictures of the burnt area

2049
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:11,790
where this object crash and they

2050
01:30:17,390 --> 01:30:14,250
describe where it was at and how many

2051
01:30:20,210 --> 01:30:17,400
acres it is and they describe the people

2052
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:20,220
that were there and they go into a lot

2053
01:30:26,810 --> 01:30:23,130
of detail about it the southern site

2054
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:26,820
they don't have any pictures of it but

2055
01:30:34,010 --> 01:30:30,540
and the July 8th 1952 edition of the

2056
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:34,020
Ogden standard examiner there is there

2057
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:37,170
are a couple of professors and witnesses

2058
01:30:42,110 --> 01:30:39,120
that described the green pea fireball

2059
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:42,120
and they describe what they saw when it

2060
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:48,000
flew by it says Charles Osmond and they

2061
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:50,610
say dr. Aaron Thomas they worked at the

2062
01:30:55,010 --> 01:30:52,110
University of Utah at the time as

2063
01:30:56,180 --> 01:30:55,020
professors they says that the green of

2064
01:30:57,500 --> 01:30:56,190
the green pea fireball

2065
01:31:00,800 --> 01:30:57,510
would have had to have been awfully big

2066
01:31:02,810 --> 01:31:00,810
is what they said for it to be a meteor

2067
01:31:04,100 --> 01:31:02,820
at the digest this is before the one

2068
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:04,110
that happened in Russia recently of

2069
01:31:13,550 --> 01:31:08,719
course right the cella bins

2070
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:13,560
which was really I think they found

2071
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:16,170
pieces of that in a lake or at least I

2072
01:31:19,970 --> 01:31:17,760
know they actually did find a lot of

2073
01:31:22,090 --> 01:31:19,980
pieces of that which when that exploded

2074
01:31:24,860 --> 01:31:22,100
that was really something else

2075
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:24,870
are there other cases as well that

2076
01:31:32,209 --> 01:31:28,610
you've looked into or anything more

2077
01:31:33,860 --> 01:31:32,219
let's see there was up the 1970s we

2078
01:31:37,790 --> 01:31:33,870
wanted to talk about that briefly the

2079
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,800
mass UFO landing yeah oh it's not the

2080
01:31:41,300 --> 01:31:39,360
one you've already know you haven't how

2081
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:41,310
to cover that one yet but it has to do

2082
01:31:45,530 --> 01:31:42,810
with another copper mine in which i

2083
01:31:48,110 --> 01:31:45,540
think is kind of strange you often hear

2084
01:31:50,570 --> 01:31:48,120
about things going on around copper

2085
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:50,580
mines it's actually the same copper mine

2086
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:52,410
that the object supposedly crashed into

2087
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:57,060
in 1952 okay I got this story again when

2088
01:32:01,100 --> 01:32:00,000
I was featured in the Ely times people

2089
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:01,110
thought I don't know people thought I

2090
01:32:04,610 --> 01:32:02,850
was looking for this story when I was

2091
01:32:06,110 --> 01:32:04,620
talking about the other story but I

2092
01:32:09,260 --> 01:32:06,120
start getting a lot of miners that

2093
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:09,270
worked in those 1970s at the Robinson

2094
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:12,719
copper mine well this event took place

2095
01:32:20,150 --> 01:32:17,880
in the 1970s the early 1970s and I guess

2096
01:32:23,150 --> 01:32:20,160
the best way to word this is this was

2097
01:32:27,100 --> 01:32:23,160
again during the night shift and the

2098
01:32:29,979 --> 01:32:27,110
individual says that well individuals

2099
01:32:32,959 --> 01:32:29,989
they said that during the night shift

2100
01:32:34,970 --> 01:32:32,969
the lights the lights were shutting off

2101
01:32:37,010 --> 01:32:34,980
and on off and on like there was either

2102
01:32:39,170 --> 01:32:37,020
a shortened the lights or that there was

2103
01:32:41,209 --> 01:32:39,180
their generators were going out and he

2104
01:32:43,910 --> 01:32:41,219
said that the lights flash on and on and

2105
01:32:45,410 --> 01:32:43,920
several times and a whoever was in

2106
01:32:46,910 --> 01:32:45,420
charge of the mine at the time I call

2107
01:32:49,220 --> 01:32:46,920
him the foreman because I'm not really

2108
01:32:51,380 --> 01:32:49,230
sure what title they would what title

2109
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:51,390
that would be they said the mine Foreman

2110
01:32:55,459 --> 01:32:54,090
told all the employees to leave that

2111
01:32:56,689 --> 01:32:55,469
they need to go home because the lights

2112
01:32:59,959 --> 01:32:56,699
weren't working and they couldn't see

2113
01:33:01,760 --> 01:32:59,969
what they were doing so the majority of

2114
01:33:04,010 --> 01:33:01,770
the miners left within a few minutes of

2115
01:33:06,500 --> 01:33:04,020
that and the lights were turning on and

2116
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:06,510
off meanwhile and he says that the

2117
01:33:11,300 --> 01:33:09,570
lights turned back on and there were

2118
01:33:14,209 --> 01:33:11,310
I guess a couple small groups of miners

2119
01:33:16,010 --> 01:33:14,219
left well the lights shut off again and

2120
01:33:18,050 --> 01:33:16,020
turned back on and they shut off again

2121
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:18,060
and this time the foreman and a more

2122
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:20,489
Stern voice getting kind of angry says

2123
01:33:24,290 --> 01:33:22,170
well you guys need to all leave this

2124
01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:24,300
mine you need to get out of here the

2125
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:26,550
lights are the lights aren't working so

2126
01:33:31,490 --> 01:33:29,489
you need to go home so they thought that

2127
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:31,500
was kind of strange that why would they

2128
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:33,449
want him out so bad like why would they

2129
01:33:37,850 --> 01:33:35,130
want him out within minutes like to get

2130
01:33:39,950 --> 01:33:37,860
out get out get out type of thing so I

2131
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:39,960
guess he said a couple more people left

2132
01:33:45,649 --> 01:33:42,210
and there was only a few stragglers left

2133
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:45,659
in this mine and I guess there was

2134
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:47,489
another series of lights flashing on and

2135
01:33:52,580 --> 01:33:50,250
off and this time the foreman approached

2136
01:33:54,109 --> 01:33:52,590
who are the couple groups of people that

2137
01:33:56,089 --> 01:33:54,119
were left he started raising his voice

2138
01:33:59,899 --> 01:33:56,099
and yelling saying you guys need to get

2139
01:34:02,000 --> 01:33:59,909
out of here now that the lights weren't

2140
01:34:03,500 --> 01:34:02,010
working and that they need to get out or

2141
01:34:08,839 --> 01:34:03,510
there were gonna be fired or that their

2142
01:34:11,359 --> 01:34:08,849
jobs are gonna be at stake so off to go

2143
01:34:12,830 --> 01:34:11,369
to an individual person story to tell

2144
01:34:16,220 --> 01:34:12,840
you what he saw and then I'll tell you

2145
01:34:19,850 --> 01:34:16,230
go on from there sure this individual

2146
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:19,860
person he says that he was one of I

2147
01:34:24,109 --> 01:34:21,810
guess the last couple people there he

2148
01:34:26,510 --> 01:34:24,119
was car pulling and a Jeep Jeep Wrangler

2149
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:26,520
he said so they were driving down this

2150
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:28,050
dirt road heading towards the town of

2151
01:34:32,089 --> 01:34:30,719
Ruth and this road kind of wraps around

2152
01:34:33,620 --> 01:34:32,099
the whole edge of the mine and goes

2153
01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:33,630
through like a wooded area before it

2154
01:34:38,300 --> 01:34:36,510
comes out in the city or the town so he

2155
01:34:41,390 --> 01:34:38,310
says they were between the wooded area

2156
01:34:42,950 --> 01:34:41,400
and the mine but they were weren't in

2157
01:34:44,350 --> 01:34:42,960
the actual mine itself he said they

2158
01:34:46,490 --> 01:34:44,360
pulled over to go use the bathroom

2159
01:34:48,169 --> 01:34:46,500
before they went into town because

2160
01:34:50,300 --> 01:34:48,179
they're gonna go gambling or do whatever

2161
01:34:52,970 --> 01:34:50,310
in Ely cuz I told you Ealy's twelve

2162
01:34:54,830 --> 01:34:52,980
miles from Ruth so they were gonna go

2163
01:34:57,229 --> 01:34:54,840
get ready to go to the casino and go

2164
01:35:00,050 --> 01:34:57,239
gamble and he says while they were using

2165
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:00,060
the bathroom they saw some kind of a

2166
01:35:06,350 --> 01:35:02,610
glowing object come out of an area

2167
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:06,360
called the duck the duck Creek wildlife

2168
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:08,880
area which is not to be confused with

2169
01:35:13,729 --> 01:35:11,130
the duck water Indian Reservation the

2170
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:13,739
duck Creek Wildlife Area is kind of like

2171
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:16,560
a national park that anyone could go

2172
01:35:20,990 --> 01:35:18,960
visit there even nowadays well the

2173
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:21,000
object came from that general area it

2174
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:23,610
flew slowly over the copper

2175
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:25,050
where they were just at and he said that

2176
01:35:28,490 --> 01:35:26,489
it looked like it was having trouble

2177
01:35:30,590 --> 01:35:28,500
staying in the air and whatever this

2178
01:35:34,250 --> 01:35:30,600
object was was slowly landing and it was

2179
01:35:37,790 --> 01:35:34,260
spraying a like a reddish colored oil or

2180
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:37,800
like a thick liquid of some kind from

2181
01:35:43,310 --> 01:35:39,330
the distance that they saw and it was

2182
01:35:46,220 --> 01:35:43,320
going all over the ground and this

2183
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:46,230
object landed in the mine and again the

2184
01:35:51,260 --> 01:35:49,650
lights shut off almost as if as if this

2185
01:35:54,260 --> 01:35:51,270
object was making the lights shut on and

2186
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:54,270
off and I guess within a few minutes the

2187
01:35:58,780 --> 01:35:56,850
exact word the exact word I was given by

2188
01:36:02,060 --> 01:35:58,790
several witnesses within minutes

2189
01:36:03,380 --> 01:36:02,070
military helicopters came flying over

2190
01:36:06,350 --> 01:36:03,390
the mountains like they were teether

2191
01:36:09,410 --> 01:36:06,360
tracking it or this was a man-made UFO

2192
01:36:11,420 --> 01:36:09,420
and I guess they landed in the copper

2193
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:11,430
mine and I don't know what what they

2194
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:12,930
were doing but they landed the copper

2195
01:36:17,060 --> 01:36:14,730
mine and the very next day I was told

2196
01:36:21,260 --> 01:36:17,070
the helicopters were seen carrying this

2197
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:21,270
object off over over the south side of

2198
01:36:25,700 --> 01:36:21,690
Ely

2199
01:36:27,650 --> 01:36:25,710
which means I literally I I guess

2200
01:36:29,420 --> 01:36:27,660
hundreds of people's could have seen

2201
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:29,430
this thing flying over the city I know a

2202
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:31,290
few dozen have contacted me there's

2203
01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:34,050
probably more and they had this thing on

2204
01:36:38,570 --> 01:36:35,940
a tarp and they were flying towards

2205
01:36:43,220 --> 01:36:38,580
modern-day area 51 which is towards the

2206
01:36:47,959 --> 01:36:43,230
south but what I think is interesting

2207
01:36:50,330 --> 01:36:47,969
about this was as far as I know this is

2208
01:36:54,410 --> 01:36:50,340
the earliest case that I know where the

2209
01:36:56,300 --> 01:36:54,420
military might have had a man-made UFO

2210
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:56,310
that was documented and was being

2211
01:37:02,060 --> 01:37:00,480
followed by these helicopters I I think

2212
01:37:03,530 --> 01:37:02,070
the two scenarios that come up in my

2213
01:37:06,740 --> 01:37:03,540
head is this thing was either a man-made

2214
01:37:08,209 --> 01:37:06,750
UFO that was crashing or was starting to

2215
01:37:10,370 --> 01:37:08,219
crash and they need to make an emergency

2216
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:10,380
landing and of course that was the only

2217
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:13,890
area and that that was safe to land or I

2218
01:37:18,620 --> 01:37:15,600
think what was happened is it was a real

2219
01:37:20,420 --> 01:37:18,630
UFO and it was crashing and going stuck

2220
01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:20,430
I said it was flying slowly slow enough

2221
01:37:25,550 --> 01:37:22,800
to where they could track it and that's

2222
01:37:27,020 --> 01:37:25,560
when they sent these helicopters I don't

2223
01:37:28,820 --> 01:37:27,030
know where the helicopters came from

2224
01:37:31,850 --> 01:37:28,830
like I said Hill Air Force Base is the

2225
01:37:33,620 --> 01:37:31,860
closest actual military base or it could

2226
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:33,630
have come from area 51 because that did

2227
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:35,530
exist at this point in time

2228
01:37:42,330 --> 01:37:38,800
how far away is that military base Ogden

2229
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:42,340
Utah yeah from that it's 200 miles in a

2230
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:43,690
car I don't know how long that would

2231
01:37:49,169 --> 01:37:46,719
take flying yeah this sort of rings like

2232
01:37:51,689 --> 01:37:49,179
the a little bit like the cash Landrum

2233
01:37:55,979 --> 01:37:51,699
case which was a 1980

2234
01:37:58,290 --> 01:37:55,989
you know later later but there are some

2235
01:38:00,209 --> 01:37:58,300
similarities and there are more people

2236
01:38:03,660 --> 01:38:00,219
that are thinking that was actually a

2237
01:38:05,339 --> 01:38:03,670
military experiment gone wrong I don't

2238
01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:05,349
know if he looked into that case at all

2239
01:38:09,899 --> 01:38:08,230
or read a part about it yeah and there

2240
01:38:12,419 --> 01:38:09,909
were several helicopters actually

2241
01:38:13,979 --> 01:38:12,429
trailing this thing I think I can't

2242
01:38:18,359 --> 01:38:13,989
remember exactly how many something like

2243
01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:18,369
for that specific witness that didn't

2244
01:38:21,930 --> 01:38:19,510
look like the helicopters weren't a

2245
01:38:23,729 --> 01:38:21,940
really big hurry they were just kind of

2246
01:38:25,290 --> 01:38:23,739
casually flying in that area like they

2247
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:25,300
knew that it was gonna land in that area

2248
01:38:28,399 --> 01:38:26,770
or that they already knew that it was

2249
01:38:32,580 --> 01:38:28,409
down there

2250
01:38:34,529 --> 01:38:32,590
it's a very you know it could certainly

2251
01:38:36,990 --> 01:38:34,539
happen where you know they are

2252
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:37,000
experimenting with something military

2253
01:38:40,859 --> 01:38:39,130
that went wrong somehow

2254
01:38:43,620 --> 01:38:40,869
you know people weren't supposed to see

2255
01:38:46,410 --> 01:38:43,630
it I can I could see that happen and how

2256
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:46,420
far away is that from area 51 um

2257
01:38:51,899 --> 01:38:49,570
area 51 is about an hour and a half hour

2258
01:38:53,879 --> 01:38:51,909
hour and a half okay by flying not too

2259
01:38:56,879 --> 01:38:53,889
far away I'm flying it Whitney would

2260
01:38:58,589 --> 01:38:56,889
take a few minutes right so when when

2261
01:39:02,250 --> 01:38:58,599
the other incidents happened in the 9th

2262
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,260
early 60s in the 50s area 51 basically

2263
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:04,800
didn't have the capabilities to send out

2264
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:07,449
vehicles or anything that's something I

2265
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:09,730
found was thought was interesting about

2266
01:39:12,899 --> 01:39:10,719
the whole thing is they didn't really

2267
01:39:14,609 --> 01:39:12,909
have helicopters well they had early

2268
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:14,619
helicopters but nothing capable of

2269
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:16,449
lifting the UFO or anything in the

2270
01:39:23,339 --> 01:39:20,800
earlier cases mm-hmm so a little bit

2271
01:39:25,919 --> 01:39:23,349
about yourself now these things you've

2272
01:39:28,770 --> 01:39:25,929
deep you've looked into deeply and you

2273
01:39:32,339 --> 01:39:28,780
it sounds like you always for all these

2274
01:39:35,580 --> 01:39:32,349
cases that you actually put your name in

2275
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:35,590
a newspaper with your phone number and

2276
01:39:41,330 --> 01:39:38,110
email address for someone so someone can

2277
01:39:44,459 --> 01:39:41,340
contact you is that exactly what you do

2278
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:44,469
um I don't start off doing that I mean I

2279
01:39:48,540 --> 01:39:46,570
I do it eventually but it's usually not

2280
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:48,550
my first way of contacting people

2281
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:49,330
usually I'll be

2282
01:39:53,460 --> 01:39:51,280
like a witness will call me and I'll ask

2283
01:39:55,110 --> 01:39:53,470
them if they had anyone that was with

2284
01:39:56,430 --> 01:39:55,120
them when it happened or if they know of

2285
01:39:58,980 --> 01:39:56,440
any neighbors or anything

2286
01:40:00,600 --> 01:39:58,990
but if I'd meet if I get to a dead end I

2287
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:00,610
will put my phone number and all it out

2288
01:40:05,010 --> 01:40:02,890
there and usually somebody will call me

2289
01:40:07,980 --> 01:40:05,020
somebody I haven't talked to before will

2290
01:40:09,780 --> 01:40:07,990
contact me that way right and you know

2291
01:40:13,020 --> 01:40:09,790
some of these are going back to 1952

2292
01:40:15,530 --> 01:40:13,030
it's almost as far back as Roswell a lot

2293
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:15,540
of these people are gone at this point

2294
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:18,490
did you get any like secondhand like my

2295
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:21,010
father said this or my aunt said this

2296
01:40:26,430 --> 01:40:24,010
type of situations um yeah the best way

2297
01:40:29,310 --> 01:40:26,440
the word it is I get I get a lot of

2298
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:29,320
second and third hand witnesses but I do

2299
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:31,930
get a couple of firsthand witnesses and

2300
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:34,000
if the second hand witnesses stories

2301
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:35,530
closely match the first hand witness

2302
01:40:41,090 --> 01:40:38,410
stories usually I'll I'll throw those in

2303
01:40:44,010 --> 01:40:41,100
there and and investigate those further

2304
01:40:46,110 --> 01:40:44,020
but this did happen so long ago of most

2305
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:46,120
of these cases that you do have to look

2306
01:40:50,820 --> 01:40:48,090
into the third hand stories and try to

2307
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:50,830
it's best that you can try to piece it

2308
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:53,440
together and see if it matches the first

2309
01:40:57,690 --> 01:40:55,090
hand witness yeah

2310
01:40:59,280 --> 01:40:57,700
like the Train story has I'd say about a

2311
01:41:01,440 --> 01:40:59,290
dozen people I've talked to that we're

2312
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:01,450
actually there and then I'd say there's

2313
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:03,520
probably about a dozen people who are

2314
01:41:08,190 --> 01:41:05,650
second hand witnesses that I have like

2315
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:08,200
for instance the guy who was a kid at

2316
01:41:16,740 --> 01:41:11,890
the time but his mom went out there oh I

2317
01:41:18,540 --> 01:41:16,750
see uh-huh and how early you were

2318
01:41:22,710 --> 01:41:18,550
talking about you go all over the

2319
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:22,720
country mm-hmm so is this is this more

2320
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:26,800
than a hobby to you I primarily look at

2321
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:29,920
it as a hobby like oh I like I guess the

2322
01:41:34,350 --> 01:41:32,050
best way to word it is I'll get really

2323
01:41:35,790 --> 01:41:34,360
heavy into the UFO thing for the Ely

2324
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:35,800
case for a couple months and then I'll

2325
01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:38,080
kind of lay back then I'll get heavy on

2326
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:42,070
to it again and lay back in April we

2327
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:45,040
were over in Ely again we actually we

2328
01:41:50,190 --> 01:41:46,480
actually found the crash site to that

2329
01:41:52,230 --> 01:41:50,200
Train story but I think it's ends up

2330
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:52,240
September so we're supposed to come back

2331
01:41:57,180 --> 01:41:54,970
and can you describe when you say you

2332
01:41:59,339 --> 01:41:57,190
actually found the crash site

2333
01:42:03,089 --> 01:41:59,349
how how you

2334
01:42:05,250 --> 01:42:03,099
who came about that conclusion um yeah

2335
01:42:07,139 --> 01:42:05,260
well we were we were given a couple

2336
01:42:10,409 --> 01:42:07,149
landmarks we were told it was at the

2337
01:42:13,379 --> 01:42:10,419
base of a mountain and that there were

2338
01:42:14,669 --> 01:42:13,389
train tracks farmers field and it would

2339
01:42:16,469 --> 01:42:14,679
have had to have been someplace that was

2340
01:42:18,089 --> 01:42:16,479
hard to get to because the train or the

2341
01:42:20,939 --> 01:42:18,099
crane would have had to have lifted the

2342
01:42:22,649 --> 01:42:20,949
UFO from wherever it was at and we were

2343
01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:22,659
also told to look for a specific mile

2344
01:42:27,089 --> 01:42:25,119
marker next to the tracks because at the

2345
01:42:32,759 --> 01:42:27,099
time the tracks were labeled every one

2346
01:42:35,459 --> 01:42:32,769
or two miles generally we found the we

2347
01:42:37,229 --> 01:42:35,469
found the mile marker well not the mile

2348
01:42:38,669 --> 01:42:37,239
marker it was destroyed with time but we

2349
01:42:42,270 --> 01:42:38,679
found the one before and the one after

2350
01:42:44,219 --> 01:42:42,280
so somewhere in the middle was where we

2351
01:42:45,810 --> 01:42:44,229
started looking and I know that there's

2352
01:42:47,159 --> 01:42:45,820
a couple there's room for error of

2353
01:42:50,009 --> 01:42:47,169
course could happen a little bit before

2354
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:50,019
a little bit after that but we found

2355
01:42:57,060 --> 01:42:53,489
that strip of copper-colored dirt and

2356
01:42:58,949 --> 01:42:57,070
that dirt would have had to have been

2357
01:43:01,229 --> 01:42:58,959
brought from one of the properties at

2358
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:01,239
the mine owned and the property that the

2359
01:43:09,029 --> 01:43:04,530
mine owned was I guess across the valley

2360
01:43:11,849 --> 01:43:09,039
took the word at best and the mine would

2361
01:43:13,679 --> 01:43:11,859
have never dumped their mining waste on

2362
01:43:14,729 --> 01:43:13,689
non mining property because they would

2363
01:43:16,649 --> 01:43:14,739
have been would have been an

2364
01:43:17,759 --> 01:43:16,659
environmental disaster if the media got

2365
01:43:19,889 --> 01:43:17,769
ahold of that they would have sued him

2366
01:43:21,389 --> 01:43:19,899
somebody would have sued him especially

2367
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:21,399
if because those farmers fields are

2368
01:43:23,909 --> 01:43:22,719
right there and you can't they probably

2369
01:43:28,290 --> 01:43:23,919
wouldn't want you dumping mining waste

2370
01:43:30,599 --> 01:43:28,300
in their fields but it's that long strip

2371
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:30,609
along that certain it's like a it's a

2372
01:43:34,739 --> 01:43:33,280
long strip strip it's on a portion of

2373
01:43:37,500 --> 01:43:34,749
the tracks that's next to that Crescent

2374
01:43:43,259 --> 01:43:37,510
moon-shaped part of the tracks it's on a

2375
01:43:46,020 --> 01:43:43,269
bend they have the ditch with water the

2376
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,030
best well the way where the the two

2377
01:43:51,419 --> 01:43:48,639
oldest ranches in the area are right

2378
01:43:52,679 --> 01:43:51,429
next to that crescent moon shape and

2379
01:43:57,479 --> 01:43:52,689
they're next to that portion of the

2380
01:43:59,759 --> 01:43:57,489
tracks and the man that was living at

2381
01:44:02,939 --> 01:43:59,769
Bassett lake ranch said that in at the

2382
01:44:04,349 --> 01:44:02,949
time he was living on a ranch in that

2383
01:44:09,330 --> 01:44:04,359
area and so would have been one of those

2384
01:44:10,379 --> 01:44:09,340
two ranches he was saying I see so so we

2385
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:10,389
have a couple of different landmarks

2386
01:44:13,630 --> 01:44:13,090
that matched up to that area and the guy

2387
01:44:15,370 --> 01:44:13,640
that works

2388
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:15,380
a couple people will be talked to the

2389
01:44:19,870 --> 01:44:17,690
break man and we talked to one of the

2390
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:19,880
engineers and they actually gave us that

2391
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:24,320
mile marker and so you said the mile

2392
01:44:27,700 --> 01:44:26,090
markers are gone what did you paste it

2393
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:27,710
out or something how did you come up

2394
01:44:32,740 --> 01:44:30,800
well with there's the old days they

2395
01:44:34,450 --> 01:44:32,750
would have mile markers every like I

2396
01:44:36,220 --> 01:44:34,460
said one or two miles sometimes a little

2397
01:44:40,150 --> 01:44:36,230
bit further depending on the specific

2398
01:44:41,710 --> 01:44:40,160
railroad when you go when you drive next

2399
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:41,720
to the tracks along the freeway or if

2400
01:44:46,090 --> 01:44:43,250
you get out and walk the tracks they're

2401
01:44:47,950 --> 01:44:46,100
all destroyed basically most of them you

2402
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:47,960
just see one every once in a while type

2403
01:44:52,630 --> 01:44:50,570
of thing we got extremely lucky that we

2404
01:44:55,690 --> 01:44:52,640
found the one before and the one after

2405
01:44:59,170 --> 01:44:55,700
what we were looking for Sean Pitts the

2406
01:45:00,460 --> 01:44:59,180
museum administrator or the curator he

2407
01:45:02,860 --> 01:45:00,470
told us that he had worked for the

2408
01:45:04,570 --> 01:45:02,870
museum for 20 years or 25 years and he

2409
01:45:06,460 --> 01:45:04,580
had never ever even seen a picture of

2410
01:45:08,230 --> 01:45:06,470
one in person and when we came back

2411
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:08,240
saying we found two of them and the ones

2412
01:45:11,980 --> 01:45:10,610
that we were looking for you he looked

2413
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:11,990
like he's seen a ghost he looked all

2414
01:45:18,850 --> 01:45:16,010
freaked out it was kind of funny now did

2415
01:45:20,530 --> 01:45:18,860
you place oh did you did you walk the

2416
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:20,540
tracks is that what it was and Fergie

2417
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:22,370
originally walked the tracks and then

2418
01:45:25,090 --> 01:45:24,290
once we started finding what we thought

2419
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:25,100
was a hot spot

2420
01:45:30,970 --> 01:45:28,610
we got a four-by-four like a like a

2421
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:30,980
side-by-side quad but I could fit four

2422
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:32,930
people in it and me my brother and our

2423
01:45:37,810 --> 01:45:34,970
friend Nick drove out there on a quad

2424
01:45:41,020 --> 01:45:37,820
and that's when we started discovering

2425
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:41,030
more of these landmarks well but it's

2426
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:42,320
almost like it's hidden in plain sight

2427
01:45:47,860 --> 01:45:44,000
though because you would think that it

2428
01:45:50,440 --> 01:45:47,870
happened further away from town than

2429
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:50,450
where it's at mm-hmm

2430
01:45:55,480 --> 01:45:53,600
all right so obviously a lot of people

2431
01:45:58,890 --> 01:45:55,490
know you out there because they contact

2432
01:46:02,050 --> 01:45:58,900
you when it comes to these older

2433
01:46:05,380 --> 01:46:02,060
investigations does anyone ever talk

2434
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:05,390
about anything newer or things that have

2435
01:46:11,020 --> 01:46:07,840
happened since or anything like that

2436
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:11,030
they see a lot of UFOs in the area but I

2437
01:46:15,430 --> 01:46:12,850
don't know of any other crashes

2438
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:15,440
supposedly something I'm looking into I

2439
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:17,600
want to do on our next trip is we were

2440
01:46:21,460 --> 01:46:19,130
told that there's another tracking

2441
01:46:23,230 --> 01:46:21,470
station that was built within the 2000

2442
01:46:24,940 --> 01:46:23,240
on top of another mountain close to the

2443
01:46:26,980 --> 01:46:24,950
kimberley mountain tracking station I

2444
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:26,990
don't have much information on it but I

2445
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:27,210
do

2446
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:29,370
want to look into that now you're saying

2447
01:46:34,460 --> 01:46:31,050
that you think there's actually some

2448
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:34,470
type of tie between crashes and the

2449
01:46:39,530 --> 01:46:36,810
tracking stations yeah I know of about

2450
01:46:42,050 --> 01:46:39,540
four or five different UFO crashes where

2451
01:46:46,430 --> 01:46:42,060
they built these tracking stations close

2452
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:46,440
by I've heard of this before like the

2453
01:46:52,010 --> 01:46:49,440
one out in White Sands the famous UFO

2454
01:46:58,610 --> 01:46:52,020
crashing that looks like a white object

2455
01:47:02,300 --> 01:46:58,620
that crashes is what a video and that's

2456
01:47:06,440 --> 01:47:02,310
supposed to be near tracking or radar

2457
01:47:08,210 --> 01:47:06,450
and there is speculation that it's you

2458
01:47:10,970 --> 01:47:08,220
know if if there is any truth to these

2459
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:10,980
being extraterrestrial I never like to

2460
01:47:17,050 --> 01:47:13,770
say they are definitely but if there's

2461
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:17,060
any truth to how something could travel

2462
01:47:23,330 --> 01:47:21,810
for so many light years and get here in

2463
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:23,340
crash you know that's the thing the

2464
01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:25,410
argument always people say how could

2465
01:47:29,660 --> 01:47:26,940
that possibly happen they'd have the

2466
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:29,670
advanced technology to get here but then

2467
01:47:35,180 --> 01:47:32,880
their crash ones are here that you know

2468
01:47:38,110 --> 01:47:35,190
it's possible and people have speculated

2469
01:47:41,330 --> 01:47:38,120
that perhaps are not prepared for a

2470
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:41,340
radar being shot at them and you know

2471
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:42,570
might affect their equipment or whatever

2472
01:47:45,860 --> 01:47:43,170
it is

2473
01:47:49,940 --> 01:47:45,870
who knows is that what you're thinking

2474
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:49,950
is that some of your thumbs I think I

2475
01:47:54,710 --> 01:47:52,170
think it has more to do with the

2476
01:47:56,060 --> 01:47:54,720
military from what I was told from the

2477
01:47:59,060 --> 01:47:56,070
people that worked at the kimberley

2478
01:48:00,860 --> 01:47:59,070
tracking station they were from what

2479
01:48:03,230 --> 01:48:00,870
they told me the military was thinking

2480
01:48:05,150 --> 01:48:03,240
that maybe another object would crash in

2481
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:05,160
the same area or that other objects

2482
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:07,040
would come to try to either save the

2483
01:48:12,350 --> 01:48:10,320
save the crashed object that was already

2484
01:48:13,700 --> 01:48:12,360
there or to try to I don't know if we

2485
01:48:17,180 --> 01:48:13,710
wanted to say investigate what had

2486
01:48:18,290 --> 01:48:17,190
happened and come back to that area all

2487
01:48:19,730 --> 01:48:18,300
right I don't know if I don't if they

2488
01:48:21,140 --> 01:48:19,740
planned on sending airplanes or

2489
01:48:25,220 --> 01:48:21,150
something to try to shoot down the

2490
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:25,230
future objects or what but at least with

2491
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:28,560
I know with Kingman Arizona UFO crash in

2492
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:31,770
the 1952 eally crash they did build

2493
01:48:37,340 --> 01:48:33,690
radar tracking stations within five

2494
01:48:39,530 --> 01:48:37,350
years of the objects crashing oh you

2495
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:39,540
mean within five years after yeah within

2496
01:48:43,550 --> 01:48:40,890
five years after

2497
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:43,560
uh-huh okay something I forgot to cover

2498
01:48:49,550 --> 01:48:45,570
I know you don't have too much longer in

2499
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:49,560
the show I was contacted by a witness

2500
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:52,800
who goes on nature walks outside of the

2501
01:48:57,650 --> 01:48:55,290
town of Ruth and she says that she came

2502
01:49:00,050 --> 01:48:57,660
across an area where they had a mining

2503
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:00,060
waste was dumped I guess back in the I

2504
01:49:06,860 --> 01:49:03,840
guess back in the 70s and she says that

2505
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:06,870
she looked on local maps and she was

2506
01:49:10,370 --> 01:49:08,250
asking around and there's no no reason

2507
01:49:13,580 --> 01:49:10,380
why there should be mining waste dumped

2508
01:49:17,900 --> 01:49:13,590
again outside the mining area and she

2509
01:49:19,790 --> 01:49:17,910
says that inside all this soil she saw

2510
01:49:23,470 --> 01:49:19,800
what looked like a bunch of dark-colored

2511
01:49:26,060 --> 01:49:23,480
rocks but they look like lava rocks and

2512
01:49:27,710 --> 01:49:26,070
she she ended up giving me these rocks

2513
01:49:30,260 --> 01:49:27,720
and she says so he gave me one of the

2514
01:49:33,110 --> 01:49:30,270
rocks and she says that people that were

2515
01:49:35,300 --> 01:49:33,120
there at the time when this object was

2516
01:49:36,620 --> 01:49:35,310
supposedly spitting out this oil I was

2517
01:49:39,590 --> 01:49:36,630
telling you about in the 70s

2518
01:49:40,940 --> 01:49:39,600
I guess they scooped up all this dirt

2519
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:40,950
into a pile and they dumped it somewhere

2520
01:49:45,500 --> 01:49:43,290
well I think she found the dump site

2521
01:49:48,650 --> 01:49:45,510
where they dumped this oil and it

2522
01:49:51,050 --> 01:49:48,660
hardened into a rock over time and I

2523
01:49:54,020 --> 01:49:51,060
have one of these rocks I got it looked

2524
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:54,030
at by about 10 different people ranging

2525
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:56,010
from people I used to work at the

2526
01:50:01,190 --> 01:49:59,040
smelter for the mine I looked at their

2527
01:50:04,420 --> 01:50:01,200
people that were seniors for the senior

2528
01:50:06,770 --> 01:50:04,430
geologists I some professors at UNLV and

2529
01:50:09,710 --> 01:50:06,780
they do different tests on the rock they

2530
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:09,720
do scratch tests they do different

2531
01:50:15,230 --> 01:50:13,440
charts they do color tests they chip

2532
01:50:16,700 --> 01:50:15,240
little pieces off of it but no one could

2533
01:50:17,900 --> 01:50:16,710
tell me what it is the only thing they

2534
01:50:22,490 --> 01:50:17,910
could tell me is that it's a type of

2535
01:50:24,980 --> 01:50:22,500
hematite rock but I think that lady was

2536
01:50:27,740 --> 01:50:24,990
onto something like I said because in my

2537
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,750
opinion I think that she might have

2538
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:29,520
found the area where they dumped this

2539
01:50:34,460 --> 01:50:31,770
soil where this oil was spraying out and

2540
01:50:37,820 --> 01:50:34,470
maybe because it wasn't a classified

2541
01:50:41,150 --> 01:50:37,830
vehicle maybe it was just I guess the

2542
01:50:43,730 --> 01:50:41,160
way to word I worded that wrong maybe it

2543
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:43,740
was a man-made UFO and because it was

2544
01:50:48,740 --> 01:50:47,010
oil that wasn't anything top-secret

2545
01:50:51,140 --> 01:50:48,750
maybe they just dumped it off to the

2546
01:50:52,700 --> 01:50:51,150
side type of thing or maybe they didn't

2547
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:52,710
know that that liquid was in there when

2548
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:53,770
they dumped it

2549
01:50:59,610 --> 01:50:56,080
one of the things going back to the cash

2550
01:51:00,750 --> 01:50:59,620
Landrum case there there was actually

2551
01:51:06,810 --> 01:51:00,760
radiation burns

2552
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:06,820
in that case thinking arm and Colby who

2553
01:51:12,210 --> 01:51:09,970
we've had on the show Colby Landrum was

2554
01:51:15,780 --> 01:51:12,220
in the car and basically ducked

2555
01:51:19,740 --> 01:51:15,790
underneath the dashboard at the time but

2556
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:19,750
anyway there was just within a few weeks

2557
01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:22,210
after that happened they dug up the road

2558
01:51:27,480 --> 01:51:24,790
right were the thing it didn't touch

2559
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:27,490
down but it came down kind of low you

2560
01:51:32,010 --> 01:51:29,650
know when when there was radiation burns

2561
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:32,020
so they dug up the entire road to get

2562
01:51:35,940 --> 01:51:33,610
rid of it and if that was a military

2563
01:51:38,130 --> 01:51:35,950
craft you'd almost think that if they

2564
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:38,140
expelled oil or anything that they might

2565
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:41,770
do something with that have you ever put

2566
01:51:46,770 --> 01:51:44,170
that just out of curiosity have you ever

2567
01:51:50,490 --> 01:51:46,780
had that tested by anyone of science or

2568
01:51:53,010 --> 01:51:50,500
was it just people's opinion I had it

2569
01:51:54,780 --> 01:51:53,020
done I I know it's very expensive to get

2570
01:51:58,380 --> 01:51:54,790
it done in like a laboratory but it's

2571
01:51:59,970 --> 01:51:58,390
mostly mostly tests by people doing all

2572
01:52:01,500 --> 01:51:59,980
kinds of tests that aren't putting it

2573
01:52:05,460 --> 01:52:01,510
into some type of machine that gives you

2574
01:52:07,740 --> 01:52:05,470
that elemental breakdown mm-hmm I know I

2575
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:07,750
actually got an argument with art Bell

2576
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:09,370
over it because he wanted me to give the

2577
01:52:13,650 --> 01:52:12,010
rock to him and then I told him well if

2578
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:13,660
it is something strange I just went on

2579
01:52:19,140 --> 01:52:15,850
the biggest radio show in the country of

2580
01:52:21,900 --> 01:52:19,150
this sort and just and just gave away my

2581
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:21,910
only cool piece of evidence and then he

2582
01:52:27,540 --> 01:52:24,250
didn't like that and then other than

2583
01:52:29,250 --> 01:52:27,550
that I haven't really heard from anybody

2584
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:29,260
offering to get it tested or anything

2585
01:52:33,210 --> 01:52:31,840
because I know I think it's five

2586
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:33,220
thousand dollars at three thousand

2587
01:52:36,660 --> 01:52:34,690
dollars in my friend Nick looked into it

2588
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:36,670
yeah it's very people don't realize how

2589
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:39,010
expensive some of those those type of

2590
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:42,130
tests are and a lot of times people will

2591
01:52:49,620 --> 01:52:45,520
entrust someone because they can get it

2592
01:52:51,150 --> 01:52:49,630
done for free or you know that think

2593
01:52:54,450 --> 01:52:51,160
they're doing something with science and

2594
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:54,460
they end up for instance ray Stanford

2595
01:53:00,390 --> 01:52:57,760
had something from the Socorro incident

2596
01:53:02,130 --> 01:53:00,400
scraped on a rock and brought it down to

2597
01:53:04,050 --> 01:53:02,140
Goddard and they tested it there and

2598
01:53:06,580 --> 01:53:04,060
sure enough when he got the rock back of

2599
01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:06,590
the all the sample was scraped off gone

2600
01:53:13,390 --> 01:53:10,490
oh geez yes so you wonder who to trust

2601
01:53:15,610 --> 01:53:13,400
when it comes to that that type of

2602
01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:15,620
testing if if you just brought it to a

2603
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:17,840
place and just didn't even say what it

2604
01:53:22,570 --> 01:53:20,510
was and just said you know if this is an

2605
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:22,580
unusual Rock can you please test it that

2606
01:53:25,540 --> 01:53:23,570
type of thing that's the only way to

2607
01:53:29,260 --> 01:53:25,550
approach something like that really oh

2608
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:29,270
yeah yeah all right well we are coming

2609
01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:32,570
up toward the end of the show and if

2610
01:53:38,650 --> 01:53:36,290
there's I don't see any questions up on

2611
01:53:40,990 --> 01:53:38,660
the message board again why don't you

2612
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:41,000
talk a little bit about your your blog

2613
01:53:47,110 --> 01:53:44,480
site do you do an active blog there um I

2614
01:53:48,910 --> 01:53:47,120
go back and forth I all right a couple

2615
01:53:50,140 --> 01:53:48,920
blog posts here and there for a few

2616
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:50,150
weeks and I kind of won't go on there

2617
01:53:52,900 --> 01:53:51,440
for a little while when I get busy with

2618
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:52,910
other things and I'll go back on there I

2619
01:53:57,820 --> 01:53:55,730
go back and forth yeah most of the time

2620
01:53:59,380 --> 01:53:57,830
I write on there if it's if I find

2621
01:54:01,480 --> 01:53:59,390
something new and interesting out about

2622
01:54:03,370 --> 01:54:01,490
the Ely case but like I said we I do

2623
01:54:05,620 --> 01:54:03,380
belong to a paranormal group where we do

2624
01:54:07,990 --> 01:54:05,630
other things also and if we get some

2625
01:54:09,670 --> 01:54:08,000
cool evidence that I think is worth

2626
01:54:13,390 --> 01:54:09,680
sharing sometimes I'll put that on there

2627
01:54:15,190 --> 01:54:13,400
but I've been meaning to update my UFO

2628
01:54:16,450 --> 01:54:15,200
crash website I've been meaning to write

2629
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:16,460
on my blog again I just haven't really

2630
01:54:23,130 --> 01:54:19,280
gotten around to of it well you sound I

2631
01:54:27,580 --> 01:54:23,140
do you do a lot of things oh yeah we do

2632
01:54:31,810 --> 01:54:27,590
we do treat your cases we do the UFO

2633
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:31,820
thing we do ghost hunting I do we do

2634
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:34,490
update our Facebook are you - and we

2635
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:36,650
have a regular website that we have date

2636
01:54:42,700 --> 01:54:40,010
all the time it's just kind of have lots

2637
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:42,710
of things to update okay just one last

2638
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:45,920
thing I wanted because I think it's

2639
01:54:52,660 --> 01:54:48,890
could be kind of humorous you got in an

2640
01:54:54,430 --> 01:54:52,670
argument with art bell on the air yeah I

2641
01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:54,440
think it was like a couple like two or

2642
01:54:58,450 --> 01:54:56,210
three years ago I was asked to go on his

2643
01:55:00,310 --> 01:54:58,460
midnight in the desert show and I was

2644
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:00,320
talking about the Ely cases at the time

2645
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:02,330
of course I didn't have as much

2646
01:55:06,940 --> 01:55:04,850
information as I do now but he wanted me

2647
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:06,950
to give him the precise location of the

2648
01:55:10,330 --> 01:55:08,570
crash site and like I said it's in

2649
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:10,340
someone's farmer's field nowadays now he

2650
01:55:14,260 --> 01:55:12,770
told him I can't have I can't have

2651
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:14,270
people walking around in this guy's

2652
01:55:18,700 --> 01:55:17,330
farmer this field and he told me that no

2653
01:55:20,260 --> 01:55:18,710
one would go out there and look in the

2654
01:55:22,830 --> 01:55:20,270
field if I said were the local

2655
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:22,840
if you said it if you set it on the air

2656
01:55:27,100 --> 01:55:25,280
on the air he said that I said yeah

2657
01:55:28,450 --> 01:55:27,110
right I know for a fact they still go

2658
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:28,460
out to Roswell into these other

2659
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:31,570
locations and there's nothing there and

2660
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:33,890
and he didn't like the fact that I was

2661
01:55:39,010 --> 01:55:36,410
on a cell phone cuz I owe ya producer

2662
01:55:41,260 --> 01:55:39,020
his name was Pete or Paul or something

2663
01:55:42,580 --> 01:55:41,270
like that and he told me it was okay

2664
01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:42,590
that I was using a cell phone at the

2665
01:55:47,050 --> 01:55:45,410
time because I didn't have Skype but I

2666
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:47,060
didn't have internet at that point in

2667
01:55:51,370 --> 01:55:50,000
time and art bell acted like it was a

2668
01:55:53,020 --> 01:55:51,380
surprise that I was using a cell phone

2669
01:55:54,610 --> 01:55:53,030
so in the middle of me talking he

2670
01:55:58,480 --> 01:55:54,620
literally hung up on me and I haven't

2671
01:56:00,310 --> 01:55:58,490
heard from him since so if you hook me

2672
01:56:03,430 --> 01:56:00,320
up that's like the main interview that

2673
01:56:05,290 --> 01:56:03,440
that appears on that shows up on Google

2674
01:56:07,380 --> 01:56:05,300
and all that which it's kind of a shame

2675
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:07,390
it's kind of a trap tragic really but

2676
01:56:12,040 --> 01:56:10,610
have you gone back have you gone back

2677
01:56:14,620 --> 01:56:12,050
and actually listened to the interview

2678
01:56:17,070 --> 01:56:14,630
yeah it starts sometimes it makes me mad

2679
01:56:20,050 --> 01:56:17,080
and sometimes I think it's fine

2680
01:56:22,330 --> 01:56:20,060
and what did he do go to open lines

2681
01:56:24,340 --> 01:56:22,340
right after that I don't know because

2682
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:24,350
after he hung up on me I got so mad at

2683
01:56:28,510 --> 01:56:27,290
the time I didn't I did I tried calling

2684
01:56:30,610 --> 01:56:28,520
him back a couple times he wouldn't

2685
01:56:32,740 --> 01:56:30,620
answer and I told him I would go down

2686
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:32,750
there in person because he lives close

2687
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:34,730
to here and he didn't want me to go in

2688
01:56:40,090 --> 01:56:37,610
person either so I don't know what how

2689
01:56:42,460 --> 01:56:40,100
he wanted me to fix the problem oh well

2690
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:42,470
yeah I think you're the only like this

2691
01:56:49,570 --> 01:56:45,410
second person I think I've heard of this

2692
01:56:51,790 --> 01:56:49,580
yeah well well you survived and you made

2693
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:51,800
it through tonight and I didn't hang up

2694
01:56:57,610 --> 01:56:55,730
on you and if you can't just so you said

2695
01:57:00,160 --> 01:56:57,620
that you are involved in a couple of

2696
01:57:02,140 --> 01:57:00,170
websites or was it just that one I have

2697
01:57:04,510 --> 01:57:02,150
probably about four I'd say three or

2698
01:57:06,250 --> 01:57:04,520
four main websites I'm involved in all

2699
01:57:07,810 --> 01:57:06,260
right just throw throw of the

2700
01:57:09,730 --> 01:57:07,820
interesting ones that people our

2701
01:57:11,770 --> 01:57:09,740
listeners may be interested in give us

2702
01:57:13,630 --> 01:57:11,780
the best the best one to visit it has

2703
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:13,640
links to all of the other websites that

2704
01:57:19,150 --> 01:57:15,890
I'm involved in is my paranormal groups

2705
01:57:24,490 --> 01:57:19,160
website it's called Bigfoot's pad bi G

2706
01:57:26,710 --> 01:57:24,500
fo OT SPAD comm and that's my paranormal

2707
01:57:28,810 --> 01:57:26,720
groups website and links and the links

2708
01:57:30,250 --> 01:57:28,820
section you'll see my UFO crash website

2709
01:57:32,830 --> 01:57:30,260
and my blog will be on there too

2710
01:57:34,209 --> 01:57:32,840
alright well we are just out of time so

2711
01:57:35,979 --> 01:57:34,219
thanks so much

2712
01:57:38,459 --> 01:57:35,989
and you take care it was a lot of fun

2713
01:57:41,740 --> 01:57:38,469
all right thanks for having me all right

2714
01:57:45,189 --> 01:57:41,750
okay everyone so that's it for our show

2715
01:57:46,750 --> 01:57:45,199
this evening and thank you and I want to

2716
01:57:48,939 --> 01:57:46,760
thank a few other people out there

2717
01:57:50,740 --> 01:57:48,949
Peggy shining for managing the Facebook

2718
01:57:54,130 --> 01:57:50,750
page Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse for our

2719
01:57:56,439 --> 01:57:54,140
music Alejandro Rojas for doing the news

2720
01:57:59,050 --> 01:57:56,449
and we'll be seeing you here